fuel

The valve seats are hardened so don't need attention. Stick to the premium petrol and you'll be fine. Just get out and ride!

Ditto the above!!!

Ditto the above as long as the tank has not been lined with resin. If the parking it not in a really dry area I would also stick a bit of tape over the tank breather hole to restrict breathing and water vapour absorption and run the last half mile with the tap off to reduce loss of volatile elements when parked. Failing that ride it a lot!.

If you have not ridden for a long time you might consider doing a riding course. People never understood the finer points of counter steering and many born again bikers (and new ones) will run wide on corners. Counter steering will keep them out of the oncoming traffic and is quicker than waiting for the bike to respond to your lean in. Needs practice and also needs to become second nature.

If there is an Esso petrol station near you, fill up there with their super unleaded. It's supposed to be ethanol free.

Ian

Quite correct Ian, as long as it is not in Scotland, Teesside or the SW of England.

I don't particularly like ethanol in fuel BUT it could be construed that fossil fuel won't last forever and by adding something else may keep it around longer.

Were some of the first I/C engines running on non-fossil fuel? Did Mr Diesel design his engine to run on bio-fuel?.

it could be argued that because fossil fuel was cheaper and therefore more desirable that automotive engineers glossed over designing stuff that would work with both.

Have Consumers sealed their own death warrant?

Previously andy_chetwood wrote:

I don't particularly like ethanol in fuel BUT it could be construed that fossil fuel won't last forever and by adding something else may keep it around longer.

Were some of the first I/C engines running on non-fossil fuel? Did Mr Diesel design his engine to run on bio-fuel?.

it could be argued that because fossil fuel was cheaper and therefore more desirable that automotive engineers glossed over designing stuff that would work with both.

Have Consumers sealed their own death warrant?

Andy, the First Ford Model T cars in the US of A were targeted at the Mid West farmers who made their own corn based ethanol to run the car. Of course, even back then the car was made ethanol compliant.

Before the needle gets stuck again I'll change fuel:

I don't think anyone has yet commented on a Norton running on LPG, since this fuel was not specifically mentioned in a politically targeted future ban.

Previously andy_chetwood wrote:

I don't particularly like ethanol in fuel BUT it could be construed that fossil fuel won't last forever and by adding something else may keep it around longer.

Were some of the first I/C engines running on non-fossil fuel? Did Mr Diesel design his engine to run on bio-fuel?.

it could be argued that because fossil fuel was cheaper and therefore more desirable that automotive engineers glossed over designing stuff that would work with both.

Have Consumers sealed their own death warrant?

hello NO Mr DIESEL made a engine to run on wast from making petrol witch was then called durve I have worked on some of the biggest engines in the world over 100 foot high and 200 foot long and 30 foot wide at base and walked inside these engines some have nuts and bolts 2foot 6inch across now you need a very big windy hammer drill from them and four chain blocks and ten men to undo one of them, well i been there and have the Tshirt yours anna j ,

Previously Neil Wyatt wrote:

Previously andy_chetwood wrote:

I don't particularly like ethanol in fuel BUT it could be construed that fossil fuel won't last forever and by adding something else may keep it around longer.

Were some of the first I/C engines running on non-fossil fuel? Did Mr Diesel design his engine to run on bio-fuel?.

it could be argued that because fossil fuel was cheaper and therefore more desirable that automotive engineers glossed over designing stuff that would work with both.

Have Consumers sealed their own death warrant?

Andy, the First Ford Model T cars in the US of A were targeted at the Mid West farmers who made their own corn based ethanol to run the car. Of course, even back then the car was made ethanol compliant.

Before the needle gets stuck again I'll change fuel:

I don't think anyone has yet commented on a Norton running on LPG, since this fuel was not specifically mentioned in a politically targeted future ban.

Hello all no your much better runningyour Norton on HHO it's much cleaner,

Previously Neil Wyatt wrote:

Previously andy_chetwood wrote:

I don't particularly like ethanol in fuel BUT it could be construed that fossil fuel won't last forever and by adding something else may keep it around longer.

Were some of the first I/C engines running on non-fossil fuel? Did Mr Diesel design his engine to run on bio-fuel?.

it could be argued that because fossil fuel was cheaper and therefore more desirable that automotive engineers glossed over designing stuff that would work with both.

Have Consumers sealed their own death warrant?

Andy, the First Ford Model T cars in the US of A were targeted at the Mid West farmers who made their own corn based ethanol to run the car. Of course, even back then the car was made ethanol compliant.

Before the needle gets stuck again I'll change fuel:

I don't think anyone has yet commented on a Norton running on LPG, since this fuel was not specifically mentioned in a politically targeted future ban.

Rudolf Diesel actually tried powdered coal, Ammonia,and Peanut Oil before turning to a heavyish fraction distilled from crude oil. With regard to LPG, I am not sure that I like the idea of riding around with a quantity of explosive gas between my knees.

Incidentally, I note that Anna needed 10 men to undo one nut. Not very feminist of her! I have fond memories of a project carried out with Sulzer which required one of my colleges to climb into a ships engine, stand on the piston and be lowered the chief engineer hand by cranking the engine so that he could measure the diameter of a series of dimples which Sulzer had machined into the liners. not a job for the claustrophobic. He always took a couple of bottles of single malt to give to the engineer to ensure his safe exit from the engines.

Going back to your original question about fuel, there is some good information in another thread running at the moment, entitled 'The 'Real' Spirit of Motorcycling, Maybe?'. Ignore the crackpot stuff, but good information regarding ethanol, in particular.

I do agree with a couple of early replies to your question, i.e. use premium fuel and ride it. However, unless you live in the SW, Teeside or Scotland, you would do well to find the nearest Esso station which dispenses super unleaded marked with the red label. That should ensure it is ethanol-free.

Cautionary tale:- I very recently bought a 1994 Moto Guzzi 1100, and rode it from Cornwall to The Isle of Man for the Classic TT. Whilst there, as I rode into Murray's Motorcycle Museum; well worth a visit btw; I smelt petrol. Looking down I saw fuel spraying out horizontally from the area of the right-hand fuel injector. I stopped and saw fuel flooding down the crankcases from a leaking pipe; game over. With no facility to buy new fuel pipe and insufficient tools to effect a repair; the fuel pipes are not easily accessible; I was recovered to a nearby motorcycle dealer, who changed the pipe, enabling me to continue my holiday. The bill for recovery and repair was £160, for a £3 pipe. The leaking pipe had turned to chewing gum, almost certainly the effect of ethanol in modern petrol, which the 23 year old bike was not designed to use. There are 9 petrol pipes on the bike, which is now at home, and stripped, ready to replace them all.

There are may stories of vintage and classic bikes catching fire because of this issue. Unless you know that the fuel pipes on your bike are ethanol-proof, change 'em!

i fitted some braided fuel pipe they said was everything proof to my bike with the intension of starting it the next day after a top end rebuild. anyway some petrol had made its way into the pipe and over night the pipe had gone from normal to a jelly like substance and expanded drooping down. so i can only assume that it was the fuel that transformed it into that state. as i still have some pipe left and thats ok.

The flexible fuel hoses on the high pressure fuel injection system of my late 1980's Vauxhall Carlton sprang leaks everywhere and all had to be replaced when less than 10 years old.

Poor quality hoses and nothing to do with ethanol when that happened.

Incidentally: there is no shortage of fossil fuel. As soon as it becomes slightly harder to obtain, the price goes up and the quantity of economically obtainable resources goes up even faster. It's been happening for decades with almost all the other minerals we use - although the 'Club of Rome' report in 1972 famously (and wrongly) told us we would run out of oil by 2002.

Meanwhile I wonder when I start planning an electric 16H?

Previously Barry Carson wrote:

i fitted some braided fuel pipe they said was everything proof to my bike with the intension of starting it the next day after a top end rebuild. anyway some petrol had made its way into the pipe and over night the pipe had gone from normal to a jelly like substance and expanded drooping down. so i can only assume that it was the fuel that transformed it into that state. as i still have some pipe left and thats ok.

Barry. Overnight? Mine did well to last 23 years then! Was this the braided stainless type as sold at bike shows and jumbles? Was it sold as fuel pipe? Various pipes for various applications; i.e. petrol, air, oil, hydraulics etc can look similar, but be totally unsuited to applications for which they were not designed. I have used such pipe in my 650SS, but always use ethanol-free fuel. Actually, apart from once, when I put 1/2 gallon of Tesco super-unleaded in the tank, as it was virtually out of petrol. The following morning I found that the fumes alone had stripped the paint around the inside of the filler, and it peeled off in one single strip. The pipe remains ok, and that was a few years ago.

The pipe which I have bought for the Guzzi is from Draganfly, and they assure me it is ethanol-proof. It is stamped 'CODAN FULE HOSE BSAU 108/2 L4/C4R & SAE J30 R6 WP 12 BAR'. This translates as being resistant to petroleum products with 50% aromatic content and 5% MTBE, the octane-boosting additive. Slightly concerning is the date stamp, 03/08/13. Should be ok if stored correctly Similar pipe is available in local motor factors.

Time will tell.....

Previously Charles Bovington wrote:

Previously Neil Wyatt wrote:

Previously andy_chetwood wrote:

I don't particularly like ethanol in fuel BUT it could be construed that fossil fuel won't last forever and by adding something else may keep it around longer.

Were some of the first I/C engines running on non-fossil fuel? Did Mr Diesel design his engine to run on bio-fuel?.

it could be argued that because fossil fuel was cheaper and therefore more desirable that automotive engineers glossed over designing stuff that would work with both.

Have Consumers sealed their own death warrant?

Andy, the First Ford Model T cars in the US of A were targeted at the Mid West farmers who made their own corn based ethanol to run the car. Of course, even back then the car was made ethanol compliant.

Before the needle gets stuck again I'll change fuel:

I don't think anyone has yet commented on a Norton running on LPG, since this fuel was not specifically mentioned in a politically targeted future ban.

Rudolf Diesel actually tried powdered coal, Ammonia,and Peanut Oil before turning to a heavyish fraction distilled from crude oil. With regard to LPG, I am not sure that I like the idea of riding around with a quantity of explosive gas between my knees.

Incidentally, I note that Anna needed 10 men to undo one nut. Not very feminist of her! I have fond memories of a project carried out with Sulzer which required one of my colleges to climb into a ships engine, stand on the piston and be lowered the chief engineer hand by cranking the engine so that he could measure the diameter of a series of dimples which Sulzer had machined into the liners. not a job for the claustrophobic. He always took a couple of bottles of single malt to give to the engineer to ensure his safe exit from the engines.

Charles, thanks for your view on LPG but isn't ethanol more volatile than petrol without this substance? And some ride with that between their knees. What about the clear flame it burns, you wouldn't even see it. (But feel it) It requires a special foam to put out an ethanol fire, I understand. Most fire services don't have it.

Before the needle gets stuck again, you are quite right to remind members of your grief with ethanol, Ian. My Commando nearly went up when one of the braded hoses started spraying fuel in all directions, some of it onto the hot engine. Government put out a disclaimer when they introduced this stuff by stealth and all the FBHVC did was to endorse a few additives to slow down the evil effects of this solvent.

I found EVF (Formerly Total) Super Unleaded BS7800 to be E0, at least in Ramsey.IOM.

Neil. Yes, I used EVF when on the IoM, usually filling up at Corkills in Onchan, as we were staying in very agreeable self-catering bungalows at nearby Groudle Glen.

My understanding; correct me if I am wrong; is that all fuel on the IoM is ethanol-free? Anyway, it was too late for me, although I did get going, albeit at great expense! grrr.....

BTW, you would need a gert big high pressure gas tank securely strapped to your rear carrier if you went the lpg route, as I cannot imagine where else you would site it. This in turn is likely to be too heavy for any carrier I know of.

Re: note from Charles Bovington about the Sulzer nuts

I hope that you gave the bottles of single malt to the engineer only after you were safely extracted and not before!

Mike

A few weeks before we went to the IOM the Atlas got a dose of fuel with eth, the tank lining completely disintigrated causing all manner of problems,one problem that we only found on arrival at the IOM was the corks on the tap disintigrated and i had to make new ones on the campsite with stanley knife and sandpaper ,they worked fine and are still in servive. Local eth free fuel cleaned up the plugs.

Previously ian_cordes wrote:

Previously Barry Carson wrote:

i fitted some braided fuel pipe they said was everything proof to my bike with the intension of starting it the next day after a top end rebuild. anyway some petrol had made its way into the pipe and over night the pipe had gone from normal to a jelly like substance and expanded drooping down. so i can only assume that it was the fuel that transformed it into that state. as i still have some pipe left and thats ok.

Barry. Overnight? Mine did well to last 23 years then! Was this the braided stainless type as sold at bike shows and jumbles? Was it sold as fuel pipe? Various pipes for various applications; i.e. petrol, air, oil, hydraulics etc can look similar, but be totally unsuited to applications for which they were not designed. I have used such pipe in my 650SS, but always use ethanol-free fuel. Actually, apart from once, when I put 1/2 gallon of Tesco super-unleaded in the tank, as it was virtually out of petrol. The following morning I found that the fumes alone had stripped the paint around the inside of the filler, and it peeled off in one single strip. The pipe remains ok, and that was a few years ago.

The pipe which I have bought for the Guzzi is from Draganfly, and they assure me it is ethanol-proof. It is stamped 'CODAN FULE HOSE BSAU 108/2 L4/C4R & SAE J30 R6 WP 12 BAR'. This translates as being resistant to petroleum products with 50% aromatic content and 5% MTBE, the octane-boosting additive. Slightly concerning is the date stamp, 03/08/13. Should be ok if stored correctly Similar pipe is available in local motor factors.

Time will tell.....

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Hi Ian .

it was the stainless braided type. cant remember where i had it from more than likely off e-bay. but what i did notice was it had a very thin wall to the pipe. i pushed the pipe on with no clips just overnight. found it the next day as i described. i fitted some of the halfords pipe and thats been ok.

Barry

Barry. I reckon you were sold pipe which was for another purpose, not fuel. Even ethanol normally takes a bit longer than that to destroy pipes!

Robert. Well done for resolving what could have been an ethanol-induced nightmare for you! It brings to mind the fact that no petrol tank should be lined unless it is a matter of last resort. If the steel tank is sound, de-rust it with phosphoric acid and leave it be. Lining is just another thing to go wrong. I am waiting for the posts from those for whom lining has been successful; meanwhile there are at least as many who have had them fail. If normal precautions are taken, and the tank is basically sound, it should not need lining.

Previously ian_cordes wrote:

Neil. Yes, I used EVF when on the IoM, usually filling up at Corkills in Onchan, as we were staying in very agreeable self-catering bungalows at nearby Groudle Glen.

My understanding; correct me if I am wrong; is that all fuel on the IoM is ethanol-free? Anyway, it was too late for me, although I did get going, albeit at great expense! grrr.....

BTW, you would need a gert big high pressure gas tank securely strapped to your rear carrier if you went the lpg route, as I cannot imagine where else you would site it. This in turn is likely to be too heavy for any carrier I know of.

Hi Ian, I know Corkills, used it many times as a Total station but not this time. In Ramsey EVF the 95 RON was clearly marked up as EN228 and that means 5% ethanol. (Incidentally, EN228 the EU has decided will be the same standard for E10, they don't care so how is one to know?) I accidentally spilt a small amount of Super BS7800 on my tank and my white tissue did not pick up any paint as it did in 2006 when I didn't know about this stuff. I just thought the tank wasn't petrol proofed, it was, just not ethanol proof! All for now, the groove is getting stuck and the needle wearing down! PS: Thanks for the LPG comment, looks like a no go.

Previously ian_cordes wrote:

Barry. I reckon you were sold pipe which was for another purpose, not fuel. Even ethanol normally takes a bit longer than that to destroy pipes!

Robert. Well done for resolving what could have been an ethanol-induced nightmare for you! It brings to mind the fact that no petrol tank should be lined unless it is a matter of last resort. If the steel tank is sound, de-rust it with phosphoric acid and leave it be. Lining is just another thing to go wrong. I am waiting for the posts from those for whom lining has been successful; meanwhile there are at least as many who have had them fail. If normal precautions are taken, and the tank is basically sound, it should not need lining.

Ian, I pet sealed three tanks, two slimline and my 16H. As I used the slimline singles, they were both victims of ethanol attack by stealth 2006 / 2007. Hell of a job, but I got most of the jelly like pet seal out and both tanks now have no sealant. My 16H still has the pet seal I lined the tank with in 1997. It has never seen ethanol to this day and is perfect inside. Since then I have sealed my 650 with slosh and my 99 & 57 Model 50 tanks with Wyldes Flow Liner (Both ethanol resistant) Not used the 57 tank yet but the 650 and 99 tanks are fine, but then again I go out of my way not to use ethanol. Needle stuck in the groove again...

Neil. Why did you line the tanks in the first instance? Were they perforated?

Ian, it was sold as such. suitable for modern fuel/oil/ ect. as you say it was probably intended for another purpose .

Barry

Previously ian_cordes wrote:

Neil. Why did you line the tanks in the first instance? Were they perforated?

Ian, I was advised to. Not a bad idea at the time as the Pet Seal was marketed to preserve the tank with its inhibitors etc as well as fill any holes I didn't have. I wouldn't have bothered if I had known what politicians were scheming to hit us with. Long Live E0...And my 16H tank.

Needle sticking again!

Hi Neil Waterton, apologies for the riding course advice. Understanding your riding background now I'm sure you don't need much advice on getting round a corner safely. One of our branch members is a retired police motorcyclist and tells of many attendances at RTAs where the rider has run out of talent/road/etc when the road conditions don't warrant it. Do plan ahead with your Atlas brakes after getting off your GSX

Hi Ian, Ethanol was only one of my problems in the IOM, on the first day before our ride out I had the tap,then the 99 gearbox appart to try and find why the kickstart would not engage (pawl in upside down!) Then the 250 Ducati gearchange needed re-shimming and carb jet cleaning ignition timing ,still got out in the morning on the 3 old bikes and luckily only the Ducati continued to act up through the 10 days riding,I appologise now to all those riders on big bikes that I streaked past at inapropriate moments ,the dammed thing would not run slowly at all. Thats my excuse anyway.

'...I have worked on some of the biggest engines in the world over 100 foot high and 200 foot long and 30 foot wide at base and walked inside these engines some have nuts and bolts 2foot 6inch across now you need a very big windy hammer drill from them and four chain blocks and ten men to undo one of them, well i been there and have the Tshirt...'

Was this when you were working with James Watt, before Trevithick came along & built the lightweight?

Mike

James Wyatt was my father but the historical James Wyatt (1700's) was known for his architecture. Are you mixing him up with James Watt, Mike?

Latter, the historical Wyatt changed his name to Wyattville but the extended family remained Wyatt's. (Built Ripon Town Hall for example)

All this was in the days before petrol and ethanol replaced steam.

And yes, I have seen a steam powered motorcycle. How much coal, if that's not banned too can you get in a Craven top box?

Previously Charles Bovington wrote:

Previously Neil Wyatt wrote:

Previously andy_chetwood wrote:

I don't particularly like ethanol in fuel BUT it could be construed that fossil fuel won't last forever and by adding something else may keep it around longer.

Were some of the first I/C engines running on non-fossil fuel? Did Mr Diesel design his engine to run on bio-fuel?.

it could be argued that because fossil fuel was cheaper and therefore more desirable that automotive engineers glossed over designing stuff that would work with both.

Have Consumers sealed their own death warrant?

Andy, the First Ford Model T cars in the US of A were targeted at the Mid West farmers who made their own corn based ethanol to run the car. Of course, even back then the car was made ethanol compliant.

Before the needle gets stuck again I'll change fuel:

I don't think anyone has yet commented on a Norton running on LPG, since this fuel was not specifically mentioned in a politically targeted future ban.

Rudolf Diesel actually tried powdered coal, Ammonia,and Peanut Oil before turning to a heavyish fraction distilled from crude oil. With regard to LPG, I am not sure that I like the idea of riding around with a quantity of explosive gas between my knees.

Incidentally, I note that Anna needed 10 men to undo one nut. Not very feminist of her! I have fond memories of a project carried out with Sulzer which required one of my colleges to climb into a ships engine, stand on the piston and be lowered the chief engineer hand by cranking the engine so that he could measure the diameter of a series of dimples which Sulzer had machined into the liners. not a job for the claustrophobic. He always took a couple of bottles of single malt to give to the engineer to ensure his safe exit from the engines.

hello you not said anything about a big windy drill and socket you need to undo said nut ! 30 inches in diameter, in the Then USSR women did the same jobs as men and some ship were all female ran from chief engineer to captain I was very friendlywith a captain on the KOMENSK this ship was all steam and built in 1909 she had two triple expansionengines they were a real size over 100 foot high and some 250 long and just Beautifullto watch her running, This ship was a 30,000 toner all accommodationmidships she was a grand old lady and was looked after by women she shone like a new pin, the engine room really impressed me never seen anything like it, it was that clean you could eat your dinner of the engine room floor it shone like chrome and so did the brass fittings and port holes I was a first engineering officer relief engineer I took over when chief engineers went off on leave for a month or two so you can say I have seen many ships in my times and sail on many too , but the last one was on the Hoo Moon she was built in Holland in 1934 and was 1200 ton with B&W four-cylinder 600 hp engine, she was loaded with grain and bags on top and had wooden catch broads and canvas sheets strappeddown with 1inch rope and wedged we sail out from southern France to Portsmouth and ran into the storm on 15th October1987 yes the one Mr. MichaelFish got wrong the same day when the Fastnet was on and sailing boats were sinking and so we did too but saved by the RAF I was in the aft engine room running the pump engines try to keep us afloat when a guy came in and tapped me on the shoulder and told me to come on get out of here so upI went with him and before you knew anything we up in the helicopter, there was no time for anything has soon has we were off I got the last glimpse of the Hoo Moon sinking just 8 miles south of the Isles of white, well that ended my sailing days and my engineering career too , The last time at sea was on the Stena line ferry to Flushing Holland in 1988 on a vintage car rally I was driving my 1968 Wartburgtourist 353mk1 a grand car to drive I drove her all over the south coast from one end to other stopping at every seaside town right up western-super-mare and into Wales what a good holiday that was , yours anna j

Previously Neil Wyatt wrote:

James Wyatt was my father but the historical James Wyatt (1700's) was known for his architecture. Are you mixing him up with James Watt, Mike?

Latter, the historical Wyatt changed his name to Wyattville but the extended family remained Wyatt's. (Built Ripon Town Hall for example)

All this was in the days before petrol and ethanol replaced steam.

And yes, I have seen a steam powered motorcycle. How much coal, if that's not banned too can you get in a Craven top box?

hello if you go on youtube you can see for your selfs a steam motorcycle with is flash boiler gas fired a righttool and can really get on it is not slow either so steam may still have a comeback Yours Anna J

I believe our government intend to ban coal by 2025 so how about a biomass motorcycle? Call into your nearest woods to refuel?

i was thinking of putting a washing machine stepper motor and control panel on me bike with a generator strapped to the rack. on the motorway you could put it on the fast 1400 spin cycle . and around town on the slower 900 spin. oh! just a thought on the normal wash cycle you would just stand there going backwards and forwards. ah well i will have to give it some more thought .

Previously Barry Carson wrote:

i was thinking of putting a washing machine stepper motor and control panel on me bike with a generator strapped to the rack. on the motorway you could put it on the fast 1400 spin cycle . and around town on the slower 900 spin. oh! just a thought on the normal wash cycle you would just stand there going backwards and forwards. ah well i will have to give it some more thought .

I believe the Sinclair C5 used a washing machine motor, powered by battery. I wonder why Alistair Campbell didn't put spin on that idea?

Re your stepped motor, Barry, when you're on the Motorway you could flip the switch marked "whirly whirly sputnik revs" with apologies to Professor Stanley Unwin.

Don't knock it too soon, some electric mountain bikes and electric trials bikes are awesome! Range is the issue at the moment but battery technology will continue to improve.

Previously Neil Wyatt wrote:

I believe our government intend to ban coal by 2025 so how about a biomass motorcycle? Call into your nearest woods to refuel?

hello bannig coal they find is a big mistake Globle warming is a first class Scam! there are big companies that are making millions of of globle warming Scam And you the Consumer are paying though the nosie for it all , yours anna j

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

hello bannig coal they find is a big mistake Globle warming is a first class Scam! there are big companies that are making millions of of globle warming Scam And you the Consumer are paying though the nosie for it all yours anna

If 97 engineers said it wasn't safe to cross a bridge, but 3 said it was perfectly safe what would you do?! ...... Its your choice what you believe Anna and no doubt you have done your "research" but not everything is a conspiracy, some things are based on observations and measurements.

i would let the 3 that said the bridge was perfectly safe go first then if they reached the other side ok. i would then turn and ask the other 97 what they based there argument on that the bridge wasn't safe.

Good response, Barry. The 97 would simply tell you the debate is over, they have a consensus and 'the' science is settled!

Give me 3 independent scientists any day over 97 grant dependent establishment cronies!

Check out that Haddow chap who tried to sail to the North Pole with two yachts. He failed big time (around 700 miles short) blocked by thick ice but you won't read about that in the Guardian or see the failure on the BBC.

The conspiracy is with those fake scientists, corrupting data to try and prove their hoax, costing us the Earth.

And tell me where all this so called heat trapping CO2 is on a clear night with temperatures dropping like a stone?

The Moon is the same distance from the sun as Earth and it doesn't have any CO2 in its atmosphere. Or anything much else for that matter. I gather the night side is really somewhat colder than it gets here on Earth.