Back from my Aussie Holiday now and back to the spanners. I have my new pistons and the rebore is due to be done. Crank is being checked over and getting ready to weigh rods and pistons. My concern is when I removed the rocker shafts ALL 4 came out without having to use an extractor tool ! They dont seem `loose` in fact they are a nice `slide`fit in both the rocker arms and the cylinder head. Is this unusual as I only used an old con rod bolt (5/16") to screw in and pull them out.
My other question is this , is it at all possible to fit a complete motor (with the head fitted) into the wideline frame and then install the rear engine plates complete with gearbox ( I know that fitting the bottom gearbox bolt is impossible to fit if you try and put gearbox in afterwards) ?
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Thanks Philip I`ve done…
Thanks Philip I`ve done something similar with a Z1100r Kawasaki n the past. Any views on the easy to remove Rocker shafts ?
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It is heavy....
Installing a complete engine is very heavy. Installing the bottom and barrels is straightforward. Then fitting the head is straightforward. So the idea to fit gearbox and plates, then drop the engine in after would be the suggested way to go.
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Cheers Alan. All the manuals…
Cheers Alan. All the manuals say fit the Head after loading bottom end and gearbox in the frame. Still a heavy and paint chipping job. It also looks such a fiddly job squeezing the head in along with locating push rods and not damaging or getting oil and the likes everywhere ! I thought it may be easier to build on the bench ? Any thoughts or guidence as to the easy to remove Rocker shafts ? I was expecting to have to buy a puller .
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More often than not the…
More often than not the rocker shafts will pull out with a bolt , easier too if the head warmed up. If they have worn their way into the head then the cover plate stampings are less effective in stopping them oscillating with the rockers . There are several "bodges" to resist this from inserting small washers at the nearside to bring the spindles flush with the offside to fitting the RGM locating kit which is a more visible modification. I have this kit on my 99. Reasonably effective but can come loose and needs checking .
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Looked up the Kit on RGM…
Looked up the Kit on RGM site but cant find it Robert . is it just different end cap with a grub screw ?
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To secure the rocker shafts
Pack the hole inside the head with a suitable spacer/washer to bring the end of the rocker shaft just proud of the face (ideally a few thou less the thickness of the gasket) Then make sure the two tangs on the locating plate engage with the slot. If needed deepen the tangs engagement with a tap using a small punch and toffee hammer to bend the tangs inwards. Fit outer plate and gasket. Job done
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Fitting the head....
This applies to all the twins. With barrels and crank in the frame. Sit astride the bike and feed the head in (at 90deg) to what you would think. pass the push rods up inside the head. Then with fingers holding them in the head pass the head forward through 90deg, dropping push rods down the barrels. place the head on the barrels with the two long head nuts as spacers, locate push rods, drop head onto barrels. EASY.
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Size Matters
Fitting a 500cc head onto a bottom end that is already in the frame is not too hard. The fun and games begin with the taller barrels of the bigger engines. The front barrel studs will get in the way when passing the head through the top rails and then turning it 90* to lines up the bolt holes. The rear cylinder head stud will make a nuisance of itself and try and dig holes in the gasket, while trying to insert the pushrods and holding the cylinder head at the same time needs 4 hands.
If you cannot bribe somebody to help you when inserting the pushrods, then at least dangle the head from a hoist or adjustable strap. You can then follow Al's suggestion of 'bare back' riding while getting the pushrods in place.
BIG HINT ........don't use rubber bands to pull the rockers fully open. The will over-rotate the arm and not let the rocker ball sit in the rod socket. You need them about 2/3 open with loose adjusters screws/nuts.
ALSO......loose rocker spindles is not a great problem unless they rocker arms are rattling on them. The spindle end cover tangs should hold them in place and some goo on the plates and gaskets stop any serious oil drip issues.
FINALLY.....once the cylinder head is sitting on top of the barrels use a small torch and small mirror to check the rocker balls are each seated in their respective cups. Then start to wind down the centre head bolt until it is compressing the gasket. Now turn the engine over about 180* and check the pushrods again. If some of the balls have jumped out of position a piece of wire will allow corrections. The centre bolt can be released a little to help. Follow the standard head torquing pattern increasing each nut / bolt by just 5 f/lbs on each round. Keep checking the pushrod ends.
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As always , thanks for all…
As always , thanks for all the advice from you all. One other thing i`ve spotted is that one valve guide is much shorter than the others and although the valves look nicely lapped in some do have marks on the stems. Push Rods are a mix and match with one looking `home made` so I`m looking for a new set . I`m starting to think the head could do with looking at . Is there a reputable engineer / shop who can do the required work ? The exhaust threads have been welded up with what looks like Triumph stubs fitted. I`m happy to live with these as the head doesn`t seem to have damaged and remains flat despite the welding.
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Wayne.......you should be able to build up the engine and gearbox as a unit including the respective mounting plates. If you lay the power unit on its right side the frame can then be dropped over the engine /gearbox and the two chunks bolted together.
Changing the top right rear gearbox bolt so that its head was inside the plate allows the complete primary side to be assembled on the power unit leaving less big chunks to be added to the rebuild.
I found a small hoist and extra pair of hands helped to speed up the task.