I am a new owner of a 1926 OHV 500 Norton. i want to check that the oil breather is correct as it has no ball or disc valve and simply vents via a pipe onto the primary chain. if anyone has a Model 18 or similar with the same breather I would love to know what it should be like.
crank case union
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Paul Norman sells this. No…
Paul Norman sells this. No spring involved. https://racingnorton.co.uk/epages/4c675e64-813f-4c0a-8926-87a680c962a0.mobile/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/4c675e64-813f-4c0a-8926-87a680c962a0/Products/%220248+A2/707%22&Locale=en_GB
Hopefully someone will confirm. My Inter has a very early engine and this breather is horizontal, so I don't see how it could have had the ball valve in 1932. I don't know if the non return was used in the 20's. It can only be a good thing...reducing crankcase pressure, reducing leaks and pumping losses. Probably...but maybe Crankcase pressure helps to lubricate main bearings when you have total loss piling?
I just found a 1927 parts list. It gives 'part number 2028. Crankcase breather with disc and screws complete for all models'. Did they have a steel disc rather than a ball?
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Thanks for the replies gents
The bike is a 1926/7 model 25 which has a semi dry sump system similar to the early CS1, not a total loss system.The breather is at the top front of the left hand crankcase unlike the later machines like the one using the valves made by Paul on the Racing Norton site. If the original was simply a through pipe like the one currently fitted and I fit a prv either ball or disc I’m sure the old girl will leak oil from everywhere due to the increased pressure. The pre ‘28model 18 has the same breather by the look of the parts book. I will send an email to Paul Norman and see if he has idea what the early ones were like. Any other help gratefully received. A photo would be great.
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1927 Model 25
Paul, that is a rare and sought after beastie indeed !
I’m not sure what the breather would be. Suggest you try Simon Grigson on vintagenorton.com - he might probably know.
I don’t ever recall seeing the parts list for the M25.
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Parts list.
Thanks for the reply Alan, I’ll send Simon a message. The model 25 is included in the 1927 Norton parts book, it doesn’t have its own list that I can find. Cheers, Paul
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Answering on questions above
Hi Folks, sorry have only just seen this . . . very rarely dial in here, but nice to talk to you all.
FYI - the One Way Valve talked about here looks similar to the 1/4 BSP breather as shown above . . . but was only fitted from (if memory serves me right, from about 33/34 onwards - and to my knowledge, always above the left main bearing housings. Crankcases before this time did not have that type of one way valve - I have a set of early Inter crankcases (about 32) which do not have the one way valve . . . but has provision for a screw in plug in the side wall of the crankcase just above where the one way valve was later fitted.
I am not an expert on 1920's engines - but I know a clack valve type breather (valve?) was fitted on CS1's (and I think OHV engines) in the late 20's. This was normally at the top of the crankcase behind the barrel (if memory serves me right), and had a small steel shim plate held against the hole of the breather, with a spring above it - then a chromed brass plug holding the spring down and securing a banjo. Actually if you look at my RacingNorton catalog you will see I actually had the spring for that valve manufactured and is for sale, but as of now (May '24) have not got round to machining the actual brass parts of the valve (although I did do drawings if memory serves me correctly).
And yes - I do manufacture the later (main bearing) one-way valve, and two types of the original breather union (as well as SOHC and OHV engine oil pipe unions . . . all can be found on my online catalog: www.RacingNorton.co.uk.
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Paul Norman
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looks the same as I remember on my father's 1949 International. It has a spring loaded ball inside, and allows almost nothing to pass through it. That helps keep crank case pressure up, and promotes leaks all over the place. Especially noted on Inters!
Much better is a PCV valve like this one:
https://www.bskspeedworks.co.uk/pcv-valve.html