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MudefordHi

Went for a ride with DGR today, did 60miles to mudeford and the bike rode perfectly. Smooth, no issues, stopped and started 2 or 3 times OK, happy me. 

Left mudeford to do the 16 odd miles home. That was a different story... 

Coughed and spluttered. Totally different. Whether on a small throttle or opening her up she wasnt happy.

Nothing obviously loose. Nipped up the exhaust collar a smidge when I got home but even then the right cylinder feels like it's misfiring. Certainly rougher than the left. 

Could a plug or lead have gone bad? I've changed both recently and its been running fine.

 

Thanks 

Paul

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Change the plugs.  Are the old ones sooty or oily?

If it's got a magneto, clean the points, check the points gap.  Clean the HT slip ring (not the cam ring!) with petrol on a rag.

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Does look sooty.....and just to add it's not using any oil or suffering wet sumping. Plug

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A worn needle jet causes richness at low to moderate speed.

And they do wear.

Of course, richness through maladjustment on the pilot screw and/or needle clip position can also happen.

Thanks I think I've optimised the pilot tuning although I'll have another fettle as it easy to do. 

Will look into the needle jet thanks, although it's only done 600 m since new rebuild.  

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If you use a wire brush don't use a steel brush. Use a brass or copper soft bristle brush or you may damage the electrodes. I soak mine with carb cleaner electrode up in a vice for 30 minutes. Then let it dry and apply a flame from a propane torch until the electrode goes red.  You can usually see where the carbon deposits are at this point. So carefully scrape off the deposits with a needle or fine scalpel .  If you don't have a gas torch the gas cooker hob is a good substitute - but it could upset her indoors.....?   If the electrodes are scratched or burnt use a 220 grade sand paper to remove the scratching and then re-gap carefully.

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Steel wire brush never hurt mine.

 

Some they do say don't use a brass wire brush or you may leave a conductive deposit on the insulator.  Not saying 'tis so, but there's been talk that's all...

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Just cleaning the gap electrode is NOT enough. Once a plug is fouled then the plug is shorting the spark up inside from the centre insulator. About the only way to clean them is grit blasting, but beware you do not want grit up inside your engine!!  The gas method above might be ok, but a set of good clean plugs to get the engine running again, might prove the issue is/was with the fouled plugs, then of course you have to sort the carburation. Needlejets in concentrics do not last more than 5K miles, the needles are usually 1 to three needle jets.

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That looks horribly rich. Has the float sprung a leak or something ? Dirt in the fuel causing intermittent flooding might be a possibility.

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I don't think there is dirt in there. When I stripped it all down (tank/pipes/filters) it all looked clean. Maybe worth buying a service kit and getting a local knowledge to do it? 

Are the jet sizes listed in the service manual? 

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Hi Paul ,That plug is showing rich ( not oil)  . Set the pilot when properly warmed up . I use a colourtune plug . Needle jet is a main suspect too.  Are you running an N5 plug? .  I prefer these or a KLG equivalent (old school but with a properly glazed pink insulator) . Not at all keen on wasted spark system which has one plug at a disadvantage with polarity .  My 99 DL is very reliable on the old Dissy and points helped with an old school points assist EI unit from Boyer or Pazon.  If out riding (usually the Atlas!) a sooty plug is made working by a bit of string and a soak in the petrol tank!.

thanks just ordered a colourtune - I had one years ago for my honda but lost it somewhere along the path of life.  Will be good to see what is going on.

I am using Champion N5C.

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You say it ran 60 miles perfectly but then 'went off' on the last 20.  That suggests there's nothing much wrong with settings, or jet or needle sizes.  I suspect Michael has the answer.

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From Robert- Not at all keen on wasted spark system which has one plug at a disadvantage with polarity . This is only true for double ended coils. A pair of traditional coils cannot do this but Magnetos can do this.

 



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