Bit of a mystery on rear hub bearing for 1967 N15CS (standard Atlas hub)
Bearing is on the sprocket side and is the one in the hub, part no 17721
Correct bearing is 40mm outside dia whereas hub measures 41.6 mm inside dia
see picture
I am “assuming” the bearing is a press fit into the hub
Is there a sleeve ? not in parts book
What am I missing ?
Thanks Richard
The bearing should be...
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Thanks for reply. ok…
Thanks for reply.
ok understand about the axial location
my concern if the drum side bearing is such a loose fit that all the weight is
taken by just one bearing.
I think the hub is at fouls/worn
Richard
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The double-row ball bearing …
The double-row ball bearing (117DR) fits into the area at which you have pointed. The shouldered spacer ( p/n 18234 ) then inserts into the bearing. Pack this space with grease and then fit the single-row ball bearing (117) more grease followed by the small shouldered spacer, felt washer and lock-ring/speedo drive. Return to the brake side and using a soft metal drift ensure that the bearing is fully home in the recess, add more grease , then add the bearing cover washer, felt washer and felt washer retaining ring. Use now a small punch or chisel to carefully indent the hub outer to hold all the parts in place. The stub axle can then be fitted and the brakeplate with it spacer and nut / washer is ready to be fitted to the hub and swinging arm. The hub is then held in place and the spindle , washer and spacer are inserted. When that's all located add the three hub to brakeplate long shouldered nuts and covers. Have fun, cheers Howard
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Howard, thanks for reply My…
Howard, thanks for reply
My main worry is the bearing fit on the hub side is so loose the bearing has no effect
Richard
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Just looked at the early…
Just looked at the early commando wheel i have. the double row bearing looks as if it sits in a steel sleeve (It does have a steel sleeve, I just checked with a small magnet) in the wheel hub. Your photo looks as if the hub bore has a steel sleeve.(It has, see above) See if a small magnet sticks to it. If so, the sleeve has worn (most likely from a collapsed/seized bearing at some point in the past). Looking on the AN website it doesn't show an outer sleeve for this bearing so i don't think it is available as a spare. If so, you are now into the realm of finding someone to remove, manufacture and fit a new sleeve. Obviously don't carry on building the wheel as whoever you get to do the sleeve work will want just the hub to work with.
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The hub diameter : what…
The hub diameter : what bearing came out of it ??
Is there a makers number on it ?
Just wondering of someone has fitted a bearing with a larger O/D at some point to cater for wear.
The number ( or dimensions ) will allow you to get another bearing the same.
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Geoffrey, got there first.
I was going to say the same. Take a good look at what came out. It may have the steel ring attached. Then read the number of the old bearing and find the data on line. It's possibly an oversize addressing a wear issue or the ring is attached to the original.
J
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So ....... I have new…
So .......
I have new bearings and they are correct size as per parts book
There is just over 1mm "gap" between bearing and the metal sleeve that is pressed into the hub
Strangely there is signs of rust on the inside of the sleeve !
All this means is when the wheel is assembled it is only running on one bearing and has been for sometime judging by the rust inside the hub side bearing housing.
I think my only solution is to buy another hub
Thanks for all replies
Richard
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Any competent machine shop…
Any competent machine shop will be able to remove/replace the sleeve.
PM sent
regards
Peter
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Richard - Perhaps a previous…
Richard - Perhaps a previous owner fitted a larger bearing to that side of the hub for competition work. 41.6 mm is about 1 5/8 inch so maybe the hub was opened out a little to take an Imperial sized double-row bearing or even two single-row bearings. Does your new double-row (4203) bearing fit tightly on the shouldered bearing spacer that goes into the hub ? Also does the new single-row bearing fit correctly into the speedo-drive side of the hub ? It may be possible to acquire a bearing to fit your hub. I often get assistance from technicians at Diamond bearings in Eastleigh, Hampshire. Tell them the I/d of the hub and the spacer o/d and see if they have anything. Two single-row may suffice but they may not have the same quantity of balls as a double-row rigid type. It may be less expensive than a new hub ........good luck, Howard
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41.6mm is still around 15…
41.6mm is still around 15 thou bigger than 1.625" It all points towards a seized bearing in the past has worn itself into the sleeve. The next size up double row bearing is 45mm OD (much too big) Imperial bearings 1.75" OD is the next size up from 1.625" (still too big at 44.45mm)
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... a light push fit. Have you actually tried fitting it? It's located axially by being clamped between the central spacer tube and the dummy spindle. That tube is intentionally slightly longer than the internal distance between the outer race housings.
The outer race does need to be able to move axially to allow everything to line up. Axial location of the hub itself is achieved by the screwed bearing locator on the other side of the hub which positively locates that outer bearing race in its housing.
A bit difficult to describe.....