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Hi, I´m planning replace 2S cam in my combat engine by PW3, hope get better performance in mid range. Does anyone have experience comparing these cams?

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There is some correspondance   about this on the Access Norton Forum , Bear in mind that its a completely different "scene"  over in America  that  has little relevance to our type of motorcycling.!!.

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the main point is that PW3 swap, on its own, will not give more mid range , in fact often less. The original standard cam is a vg ALL ROUND cam if other  factors are standard.

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Having never found any Commando to really be missing on mid-range, what are you comparing against? And what rev range do you call mid-range?

As a general point, most of the race camshafts, 4S, PW3 etc. work best on the bigger bores of 850s/750 short-strokes; PW3 reported to give better spread of power than the 4S (although I still think the 4S is better for racing). Like Jan, I wouldn't expect a PW3 to give you anything over a 2S without a lot of effort; certainly not a swap 'n go.

There are quite a few things you could look at that might boost/restore the mid-range of your Combat - almost all of which are cheaper and more likely to deliver.

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"There are quite a few things you could look at that might boost/restore the mid-range of your Combat - almost all of which are cheaper and more likely to deliver"

What would they be Stan? He presumably already has the 10:1 compression but intrigued to hear your suggestions!

If Jakub is still here I agree a standard cam is a good start but have no personal experience using it on a Combat with it's bigger carbs. On an 850 street bike, stock or tuned it's excellent. I use the USA Web#312 version with slightly higher lift and 0.006" valve clearances.

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Thanks for replies. I read some information on Norton Access but didn´t make any conclusion about it. 2S cam should have some performance in higher revs at the exponse of lower revs, therefore I was looking for some alternative or compromise, what will increase performance in lower and mid range. Sure, change for standart cam is the easiest way, but it seems a shame to me, when i have combat.

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Just enjoy your Combat in that case! Keep it in good tune using Super Unleaded fuel and check it has the 19T front sprocket which I believe was standard. A higher gear would make the low/midrange feel worse. Where are you based?

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I´m from Czech Republic.

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Neill, the OP hasn't told us what he thinks of as mid-range or what he's comparing against, but here are some thoughts.

If the OP's mate on a similar Combat leaves him standing in a 65-80mph top gear roll-on then the first question I'd have would be are they running the same gearing. If, however, he's comparing the same roll-on against a BMW R1250, well what do you expect from a 50 year old bike with 2/3 the capacity.

Having ridden both standard 750s and a Combat when these bikes were just a few years old ('75 on), I don't recall ever thinking the Combat was missing mid-range (which I'd put at 3500 - 5000 rpm). The Combat just had more the other side of 100mph. I've never seen dyno plots for these bikes but I would guess that if the 2S looses anything to the standard cam mid-range, the higher compression and bigger carbs/inlets evens it out.

As for what the OP might do. First, just make sure it's in good tune.

Then undo the 'improvements' people might have made over the years: compression plate (for easier starting), single carb, K&N air filters, restrictive exhaust.

After that, how knackered is the engine: worn cam lobes, piston rings, valve seats and guides, carb slides/bodies. advance/retard.

Finally, cheap upgrades that really do improve on original items: electronic ignition, vernier camshaft sprocket, quick action throttle.

Nothing revolutionary, no well-kept secrets. The Combat was/is a quick bike for the period and a good one doesn't need any snake oil for everyday road use.

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Hello Stan, this is the most useful information for me:

Having ridden both standard 750s and a Combat when these bikes were just a few years old ('75 on), I don't recall ever thinking the Combat was missing mid-range (which I'd put at 3500 - 5000 rpm). The Combat just had more the other side of 100mph. I've never seen dyno plots for these bikes but I would guess that if the 2S looses anything to the standard cam mid-range, the higher compression and bigger carbs/inlets evens it out.

I will leave 2S cam there.

 



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