I have the D12-790 early model 7/88 cam.
Can anyone with old factory parts books please help with a bit of research. I am looking to find the real factory part #, if it exists, for the "daytona" cam. Only one person in the Brit Norton industry suggested the daytona was a norton race dept item and probably not a production item, so no P/N?
I also have a 1959 22125/QR Quieting Ramp cam that came after the "daytona" I would find it hard to believe that a new production profile would not warrant a new P/N.
The final 22729 "SS" cam from 60/61 on is common and I own many of these.
If cam curious: http://atlanticgreen.com/images/cam101411.jpg
TIA
Dave
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According to my chum, John…
According to my chum, John Hudson, the QR cam timing figures are 49/77/79/47 and the first SS cam is 50/74/82/42 both using 13thou checking clearance. Getting the inlet opening to lead the exhaust closing by 8 degrees on the SS cam on both cylinders may need a little juggling with valve clearances, Doing the same on the QR cam may be a bit more challenging. I have included the Race Shop data sheet for the 1955 Daytona Race camshaft . I can't see a part number anywhere so it may be that the race shop modified the grind from a standard casting blank. Regards, howard
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Comparing the Daytona ramped…
Comparing the Daytona ramped cam as fitted to slimline 88/99 s and the figures supplied by Howard for the early race cam it seems to me they are the same cam but just fitted with ramps to silence the clattter . The Early cam was probably fitted with radiused followers too instead of the flat ones for the slimline bikes .
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NHT cam history
Can anyone with old factory parts books please help with a bit of research. I am looking to find the real factory part #, if it exists.
Unfortunately, I have difficulty seeing legibly parts of the text or containing a reference to "daytona cam" or a PN
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Factory books as supplied…
Factory books as supplied to dealers in the Uk and USA have been saved and I have access to a good selection , however its pretty much all for road and off road bikes as retailed to the public. The twins in the 50's were not seen as racers and very few special parts were made for them . The Nomads, Daytona racers plus the odd scrambler/ISDT mount was about it. I doubt that it was worth printing books. I will look though.
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factory books/manuals
Quite a reasonable explaination.
If race or limited production cams was manufactured with a "name of daytona" that is fine.
In my view, there are then only 3 NHT "production" items as shown on my excel generated profiles as jpg pix.
D12-790, 22125 (factory stamped QR), and 22729 will stand for now, as the Norton period offerings until I discover and can verify more.
Thanks
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Seems likely that the…
Seems likely that the Daytona "race " cam was copied from a Triumph or BSA racy profile (they did that sort of thing!) and only got called Daytona after it proved itself in competition at Daytona. Then add some ramps and use it as a selling aid. Its wot I would have done . I'm thinking of changing mine to a 650 SS cam so i can get a little better breathing. But I wont be changing anything else (pushrods ,springs etc.) . I never did follow the rules !.
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650SS cam uprade into a ?
Well 22792 is used in 88SS+, 99SS+, all 650 thru 68, manman, 650SS, 20-750atlas, and 20M3 commando and probably most 20/750 hybrids commando.
You might find a problem with the22792 in early 500 barrels. Later 500ss barrels were marked/stamped due to added clearance machined for the pushrods, mainly for the exhaust....pix of B grade bore, SS push rod passage clearance markings.
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I will be swapping out a…
I will be swapping out a Daytona cam for a 650 one and retaining the std alloy pushrods which are a bit slimmer i think. , i can grind out a bit of the tunnels if needed.. The revs I use will not stress out the parts anymore than the Daytona cam could and I wont need harder springs etc. Valve clearances will be tailered to get the best valve timing on both cylinders . Its all a bit of an experiment. I may lighten the valve gear to allow the softer springs to remain . There will be some work on valve seat angles to improve airflow at small openings . Inlet tracts and chambers will be cleaned up and volumes equalised . Not tuning for speed, more just making an efficient smoother engine. Its pretty good already and can do over 100mph or 100mpg (proper gallons that is !) and idle very slowly and evenly. I rarely get to 80 mph these days. No need at all.
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Can't say for sure, but its…
Can't say for sure, but its the sort of thing that John Hudson carried around in his head. Or possibly Phil Hannam.
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Hello Dave - I have part number 21225 for an 88 ,99 Std and De-Luxe in 1961. It does not mention QR on the part number but by then I suppose they only made that version. Good luck with your searching. howard