Hi All
Riding my 1953 Dominator 88 in the spring sunshine yesterday I suddenly lost drive. The engine was still running but I had no gears. I'm guess this is a primary drive issue.
Now, I'm not very technically minded and pretty useless with spanners. Is the problem likely to be something I can fix? Could it be as simple as the primary chain come off it's sprockets?
I fancy having a look but being a mechanical muppet, I don't want to get myself in too deep. Any advice would be very gratefully received!
Cheers
Rich
If you are completely lost,…
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Does it still kick start? …
Does it still kick start?
if so, the primary is/maybe ok. Then suspect the g/box and final drive
where are you in the country?
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No drive
You say that you have lost all gears but is this the case? Does the bike still change gear? Usually when you lose all drive suddenly it is because the chain has come off. When following David's advice, if the wheel turns freely and the chain is still on then suspect the primary side.
If you post your location then we may be able to recommend someone to have a look.
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I think the most likely…
I think the most likely culprits are primary chain , the engine woodruff key, or the clutch nut . Also the easiest area to get into after removing footrest and rear brake pedal.
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Thank you!
Thank you for replying gentlemen. Some further info. When the problem occurred there was a sraping sound and although the engine was running I suddenly seemed to have a 'box full of neutrals.
I had a quick look just now and can report that the back wheel spins freely no matter how the gear lever is positioned. Even with my limited mechanical knowledge I can see the final drive chain is still on! The kickstart moves easily, i.e. there is no resistance and it does not turn the engine over.
I will remove the primary chaincase inspection cover on Friday and take a look. Oh, and I'm in Witney, Oxfordshire.
As ever your advice is very gratefully received.
Rich
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Its been at least 50 years…
Its been at least 50 years since my clutch came loose but I remember the scraping noise at it rubbed the case. There could be several reasons for this . The clutch was not tightened up enough, the spring washer under the nut was ommited or not a close fit . Its less likely that the clutch center( spider) is failing and moving up the shaft (allowing the nut to loosen) but it did it to me.I now use a little locktite solution on the nut and use less tightening torque than specified. The primary chain needs some slack to avoid straining everything , and its often wrong due to its tendency to get pulled tight if the box moves back. Lots to learn ,but we all started somewhere. Please let us know what you find .
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It might be worth getting…
It might be worth getting along to Oxford branch meeting and seeing if someone is able to help.
They meet at 7:30pm on the the second Wednesday of every month here:
‘The Red Lion’ The Green, Cassington, OX29 4DN
You are about an hour away from me, if the weather is good enough I could possibly pop over some time over the weekend. I will send you an email once I see how the weather is.
Regards
Tony
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Oxford branch
Tony
It was my intention to go to the Oxford Branch meeting next week. If I can't fix the Dominator this weekend I'll have to rock up on a Triumph!
Best wishes
Rich
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My guess is broken primary…
My guess is broken primary chain. You should be able to see it through the inspection cap.
dan
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Sorted!
Well it wasn't too bad in the end. Even my meagre mechanical means were able to cope. The primary chain had simply come off. I put it back on and it was really slack so I'm not surprised it came off. So, of course I had to slide the gearbox back a tad and then do the same for the rear wheel. All sorted. She's running again and I'm fairly pleased with myself!
One point I wanted to mention; the oil bath contained no oil! I have read that some owners prefer this as the oil bath is hard to keep leak free. It that right? I assume all I need to do for lubrication then, is to apply oil to the chain via the inspection cover on a regular basis.
Thank you for all the advice everyone.
Rich
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Primary cahaincase
You have hit upon one of the Dominator's Achilles heal's. After years of over tightening the cover will be distorted. Plenty of sealant together with a good or new seal will probably be necessary.
I would not recommend using the bike on a regular basis without the recommended quatity of oil in the oil Bath.
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Just one point...
... you probably know this but after adjusting the chains make sure you finish up by pushing the gearbox forward ie in the direction to slacken the primary. This is because the secondary chain exerts more pull on the box than the primary so tends to pull it backwards. Doing as suggested takes up the slack so this is less pronounced.
It does sound as though the bike has been rather neglected by the way.
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The chain is most likely to…
The chain is most likely to have had a hard time already from the sound of it . A new chain would be a prudent investment.
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Modern O ring primary
I run open primary on my bike. Just replaced the primary with a 530, Lube when I get back on tick over. The chain oil sets when cold and stays in place far better.. With the oil bath do the same with a spray lube through the inspection hole.
J
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Throwing Chains
As a lad, I regularly threw chains on derailleur-equipped bicycles (on the unpowered front, I've seen the light and only run Sturmey Archer epicyclics these days)...I can't imagine though how a primary chain no matter how slack could come off both chainwheels. Did it catch on something, or were / are primary sprocket or clutch running out of line ? I'd worry a bit about this. Random transmission-throwing is generally the realm of the belt drive enthusiast.
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If you are completely lost, go along to your local NOC branch meetong and cadge some assistance. Once pointed in the right direction, you'll need to get some spanners and a few good books.
Many of us first started to realise that motor vehicle maintenance was not the preserve of magicians simply by watching one of our neighbours working on an engine in the street outside his house. That almost never happens today and young people are entirely alienated from their motor vehicles.
Meanwhile, put it on the stand. Prop somewhere to get the rear wheel off the ground. Put it in gear. No matter which but try each in turn. Remove the chaincase inspection cap. Try to turn the back wheel. And see if the primary chain is trying to move.