Hi all
I have a 1957 Dominator which came with a Boyer ignition. I'm fairly new on old British bikes and each winter I'm picking an area of the bike to take apart, check, repair, if needed and refit.
This year it will be ignition and I admit, I have no idea on bike ignition. I'd like to take it bit by bit but the one thing I'd like is a TDC tool, I can get a timjng disc from the NOC shop.
Anyone know one that works and can anyone point me in the direction of where I can find some logical instructions on checking the timing with 6v electronic.
I may go back to magneto later but want to get everything thats on there working properly first. Then it's a loom change as the copper looks oxidised, no surprise there.
Thanks
Its most likely that you…
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Thanks It is a dynamo…
Thanks
It is a dynamo sysrem.
I'm a complete newbie on bike timing so the fabricated pointer gets me a little.
Are you saying, remove the primary nut, then using a piston stop tool set up the dis to zero. Then set up a static wire pointer to the zero on the disc.
This will then point to the correct degrees when the strobe light fires.
Sorry to be a numpty but I can only call on old car experience as all my bikes to date have been modern and either work or don't.
If my guess is right, do you have a recommendation for a piston stop tool that works please.
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You are going to have to use…
You are going to have to use some form of piston indicator so that you can read when the piston is at TDC ,usually you stop it an equal amount both sides of TDC and set the disc in the middle of the readings then fix a pointer to an engine bolt ( I use a bent strip of metal) and arrange it so that it points to 31 Degrees BTDC (for a 99) on the disc. With the engine running and strobe connected the strobe should illuminate the disc by the pointer when revved up to approx 5K . Timing is adjusted by rotating the ignition unit (dont know what you have!) . I have given up on this nonsence for years and do it all by ear and feel !. You can make your own stop by using a bolt or similar ,but be carefull. not to damage the piston or valves (do it on the compression /firing stroke)
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Feked do a nice piston stop…
Feked do a nice piston stop/tdc finder, but they are £20 :(
https://www.feked.com/positive-stop-timing-tool-10mm-12mm-14mm.html
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I as well as Robert set my…
I as well as Robert set my timing up by ear and feel and wouldn't trust using a factory degree setting with modern fuel.
With the Boyer, I set it statically as in the instructions and then go for a ride. In top gear between 30 and 40mph, I open the throttle and listen for pinking. If it pinks, I retard it a little and if it doesn't pink, I advance it until it does and then back it off (retard) a tad.
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Old school it is then. …
Old school it is then.
Thanks for the info, all makes sense. I think I'll stick yo the old school method, I run a '73 TR6 car and do pretty much the same.
Thankfully with the informatiin you guys have given me, I'm ready to give it a shot in the Winter.
Static first, give it a run and adjust if needed, with the new fuel etc, it all seems to best guess with the old ones.
Thanhs
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Being able to easily adjust…
Being able to easily adjust the timing a small amount is a major factor . With the mag it was not easy as you have to remove the timing cover , break the taper of the advance unit ,etc. I have a distributor ( like an old car ) so it can be moved , although I tend to make small adjustments by tweaking the points gap. This does not affect the dwell (on my bike) as I also have electronic assistance to the process and a built in timing light on the black box. I also have a guide when things are right in that its just possible to provoke a tiny kickback when starting , and there is a lively feel to the motor and a snarl in the exhaust tone.
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As for wiring...the cables…
As for wiring...the cables last pretty much forever unless physically damaged. End connections are the critical places that need to be sound. I have a 30's bike with most of its original wiring, and an 'earlier restoration' that was rewired in 1957. Unless you are looking to win concours prizes with a perfectly clean as-new (and possible non functional) machine, I'd do things that really make it better.
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The wiring
My 6v dynamo 99 has its original wiring. The painless way to refresh the wiring is to replace all the bullet connectors, as there is enough slack to clip off any oxidised ends as you go. The original cables are correct for colour coding, which makes following the book easy. If you get good LED bulbs (from Classic Dynamo Regulators or Ozzy Osborne) your 6v system will be perfectly good for night riding AND you can the headlight on in daylight to help save your life.. It's worth running an extra wire to earth the headlamp as LEDs consume so little power that good earthing is essential for reliability. Then you can also have a smaller sealed battery in the box. Think about putting an electronic voltage regulator/cut-out in the original 65 year old casing for peace of mind.
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Good suggestion on the electrics
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Changing the bullets makes sense and keeping the original cables. The addition of extra earth connections is something I plan to do.
I need to check dynamo output as well to be honest as I'd like to run the headlight in the day, likely with a LED bulb in front and rear.
Thanks
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LED headlamps
I bought a 6V 'Daylighter' bulb from Paul Goff. It's brighter than standard, but not dramatically so. The beam is less well controlled.
When I got the bulb, I tested the current consumption, and it's less than 1A. Standard tungsten headlamp bulb is 6A. I would much rather have a MUCH brighter headlamp, say 3A or 4A, with a good beam control.
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Its most likely that you have a dynamo system , so you will need to mount a degree disc on the primary side crankshaft , clamping the disc with the sprocket nut and some big washers . I would use a mains powered strobe gun that will enhance the signal that you get off the ignition lead . A pointer fabricated from a wire or strip metal attached to the engine and a piston stop tool to set the disc and also to indicate the advanced position. The main issue is often trying to ensure the disc does not slip when you rev the motor. I guess you have an Ei conversion fitted to a mag or later points housing (mushroom)?.