My workshop manual, which I bought recently , says that I should torque the nuts that screw into the 3 little locating studs that hold the stator surround of the alternator to 15 ft lbs. This seems to me to be very high considering the small size.of the stud. My other very old manual , about 50 years old, does not even mention a torque setting. I would be grateful for any thoughts about this as I have already snapped one of these studs with even less torque setting. Also the latest manual states a figure of 70 ft.lbs for the nut at the end of the crankshaft that fixes the alternator roter . Again this seems high. The bike is a Norton 650SS.
They don't do a lot. The…
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Hi Roger, from your…
Hi Roger, from your description it sounds like you have snapped one of the alternator stator studs by overtightening the nut. The stud may have been damaged by someone in the past and are often found to be in poor condition. I have a memory of ordering studs from all of our suppliers and never getting the right part , I had to make do with an allen bolt. Its all a learning curve . The nuts were orriginally secured from comming loose with "fan washers" and as David said need not be very tight.
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Cheap torque wrenches
Hello Roger,
I torqued up my oil pump studs with a torque wrench I`d bought quite cheaply from somewhere and bust a chunk out of the crankcases.....Great! I took the torque for calibrating and it was twice what it said on the dial. I would trust your own feel on a spanner rather than a cheap uncalibrated torque wrench or buy a top brand torque wrench if you can run to it. The length of spanners usually equates to something like the right torque if you don`t go ape.
Best regards, Al.
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Studs
Roger, I trust this is all part of fitting the side stand? I hope it’s going well.
I have spare studs if required, just let me know and I’ll pop them over. Remember if you take the bits apart with a spanner then it will go back with a spanner. You just remember how tight they were to release…
PS: model 50 goes today!
Cheers
Jon
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Whatever you do regarding…
Whatever you do regarding tightening you must not leave the nuts a loose fit. As the fit between the rotor and the stator is set by fiddling those 1/4 inch studs in the 5/16 inch holes in the stator terrible things can (and do) happen if the rotor touches the stator. By the time that you smell the burning, it's too late. Also when checking the clearance with a feeler gauge, don't forget that there may be a few thou movement of the drive-side end of the crankshaft, in the roller bearing, to consider when in a stationary position. Things got so hot in a primary chaincase on an Atlas that i was helping to repair that the crankcases had started to melt. That was an unnecessary expense for the absence of a star washer. Tighter the better - for those three small nuts. Cheers, Howard
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The orriginal stator on my…
The orriginal stator on my 99 was a tight fit to the studs and the only way you could "Adjust" the stator/rotor gap was to slightly bend the studs . The New alternator I bought is an alarmingly sloppy fit to the orriginal studs as the holes are !/16 " larger . I was not able to purchase suitable studs so untill I can get some made I have some sleeves created from thin metal strips . I also had to make a spacer to centralise the rotor in the stator and cut out part of the encapsulation to give room for the leads which fouled the outer case. . All expected actions now that "parts are made to a higher standard" !!!.
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Regards
Tony
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Torque Talk
This is available from the Andover Norton Web Site
N O R TO N C O M M A N D O TO R Q U E S E T T I N G S
Description Part No. Torque Setting
Alternator mounting stud nuts 06.2692 15lbs/ft
Possibly they use larger studs for mounting the Commando Alternator.
I would certainly not torque the nuts for these studs above 12lbs/ft on my bike.
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Thanks
Thanks to all those that gave advice on the studs. I bought three new studs from RGM and used common sense in tightening with due regard to that comment from Howard about making sure the gap around the rotor was to be 12 thou at all times. I now understand the need to tighten sufficiently to maintain that gap. I did use LockThead by Granville to give me more confidence of safely securing the studs. Thank you Jonathan for the offer to supply the studs if needed but RGM were very quick in sending them to me by first class post.
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They don't do a lot. The normal spanner size will give roughly the necessary torque provided you don't hurt your hand. The socket set is a dangerous thing...it's too easy to overload small nuts because socket sets only have one length of lever. 1/2" square drives are especially best avoided! I don't know about anyone else buy I'd never even considered a torque figure for a connection like that. The old fashioned "feel" usually means "this is starting to stretch...I'd better stop now". Use Loctite if you're worried.