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big end rod size 88/99 twins.

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Going to get my crank ground (hopefully)  +10  ,   Its likely that I will  have to get new rods  as mine are a touch oval , however  I may just re-use the old after a check and  resize .  What should they measure ?.    I have checked  and it would appear  to me that the eye should be  1.6 "    Not mentioned in any Norton literature that I have ever  seen.  A  NOS   old stock pair (don't ask!)  varied by approx 4 thou undersize  from side to side,  Either my poor measuring ,  poor job at Nortons/  AMC , shrinkage in old age  or  rejects !!.

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You can get big end eyes resized, they plane a bit off the ends of the rod and the mating rod bottom and then hone the resulting smaller big end eye back out to size and circular.

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Robert - I just measured a spare rod.  I find 1.607" in both directions.  (That is not even a round value in metric, at 40.82mm).  The micrometer scales 1.000 and 2.000 on its gauge bars.  Seems to be a rather odd value.  The nuts are not tight but all surfaces have been wiped clean and it's a snug fit.

Ps...is this the older design or might it be satisfactory?

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Hi David,  thats an 88/99 rod  and your  measuring gear looks more suitable than mine .  But thats about 10 thou bigger than mine !!   My suspicion is that the New old stock rods could be still unused from a dealers stock just  because they have been tried on a crank and perhaps found to be a tight fit  so put back in store.  If they had been a tad loose i expect no one would have noticed and they would have been used.   Going to measure a spare used rod that is somewhere in my junk. 

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I have a proper bore gauge - it's a bit more complicated to use, but much better that the "T" type.  But the T type is I think more likely to under-read.  I'll try the other one later this evening.

 

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I am sure that I will be telling my granny how to suck eggs, but big-end eyes should be checked with the bolts torqued up.

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Good point...I suppose if I ever reuse these rods I'll have to replace the bolts so I have nothing to lose if I tighten them properly.

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I found a used rod that i bought from the club 20 years ago,   rejected at the time as it is a bit battered around the small end.   This measures 1.6oo"  both sides and  in all planes ,so that appears to be the dimension . Makes your 1.607 look a little suspect , and the NOS rods are no longer looking   so attractive.   As said they could be shaved and re-sized  and are at least  not fatigued half to death, I have heard that the alloy does age. Old bolts are ok as long as the threads are not stretched , I would rather them than some of the offerings.

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I would imagine that once you know the true size the bore should be inside the rods, the most accurate way to measure them would be with a purpose made go no go mandrel/gauge.  Wonder if the factory used them.

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The torque is low for alloy cap rods and quite critical. I cocked up on a model 7 thinking it was the same for all domi motors but as it tightened up on the journal at 25 lb ft I went to confirm in manual only to discover it’s as little as 15lb ft.

10 lb ft, the difference between free running or seized!

Jon

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My suspicion is that my 99 rods (or at least one) was oval  back  25 or more years ago. I polished the well worn journals and fitted new std shells  and one rod did not want to run free and needed some "fetling"  , Perhaps I had swapped them over.  It has given good service since then  but  when my lad takes over the bike  it needs to be as sound as i can get it.

 



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