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I’m sure this question is not new, but having fitted a new A-N supplied 21T gearbox sprocket  and tightened the nut with a box spanner and large adjustable wrench (jaws over the box spanner hex), the lockplate screw hole is not even close to either of the two threaded holes.  Filing the hole to a slot would go though the edge of the plate.  Further tightening the nut would need a fair degree of movement, which does not seem realistic.   An option could be to remove material from the nut contact face.

Anybody else encountered this issue and found a solution?

Andy

 

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Have you tried flipping the lock ring over?  It may need a bit of hammer work as I think it's slightly concave to suit the inside of the sprocket.

I also believe you don't have to do up the nut tight - so long as the lock ring is engaged - and the sprocket can be slightly loose on the splines.  But don't take my word for this until someone either confirms or says it's utter rubbish!

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The F Neill book doesn't seem to mention the locking plate ( which seems odd). Haynes says to tighten the nut to 80 lb.ft. and then slacken enough to fit the screw in either one of the two tapped holes in the sprocket.  80 seems very tight, because the whole assembly is so stiff that even a small slackening will probably leave it almost if not entirely loose apart from the locking plate. It's a long time since I went in there but I'm fairly sure the nut wasn't very tight when the locking plate went on, just as Bob says.

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Thanks very much all for the comments.  I have  a Laverda SFC1000 (in many pieces) that had pronounced rear wheel free movement when I got it.  On investigation I found the the gearbox sprocket, which on that bike is similarly splined onto the output shaft snd held in place merely by a retaining plate, had worn nearly halfway through into shaft splines, creating significant rotational play.  The shaft (rare as hen’s teeth) was scrap.  To me that suggests a loose sprocket is not a good idea?

I will try slightly less torque snd also reversing the plate to see if I can achieve a satisfactory compromise between tightness and locking. 

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... reverse the plate as this moves the locking screw hole by half a flat. Easy to bend the plate to allow for the dish.

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From an engineering point of view, I don't see why the gearbox sprocket must be tightened to 80 flbs as even at this crazy amount of torque, there could still be rotational movement, it will though stop any axial movement which may not be the best idea.  Ask yourself if the gears on their splines inside the gearbox are clamped into a fixed position?  Obviously not as you wouldn't be able to change gear!

Shame about your Laverda sprocket Andrew (I love those bikes) but I doubt very much that clamping the sprocket would have made any difference.

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I use an 18" extension on a 1/2" drive socket and have never not been able to tweak the nut enough to line up with one or other of the tapped holes which should be at half a notch difference from each other so you'll never be more than half a hole out.

How close are things to lining up at the moment ? To be honest, taking into account the difficulty of keeping a box spanner square with your means of turning it, I'd be surprised if you're getting close to the suggested torque which probably means that you could turn the nut a fair bit further.

Mainshaft end float in the AMC box is controlled by the shaft being pulled into the inner case bearing and the sleeve gear being tight into the bearing. There is a hardened steel spacer between sprocket and bearing. The assembly has been designed to be done up tight.

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Richard,

The wrench I use on the box spanner is substantial (see photo) so can get a pretty decent torque when the sprocket is locked with the tool shown in the photo.  The wrench jaw width leaves just enough box spanner protrusion to engage adequately and be reasonably square on the nut.

I flipped the lockplate, reduced the tightness slightly and it now lines up nicely.  Hard to say what torque has been applied, but given the length of the wrench, I would guess around 40-50 lb/ft.  I agree with you, the nut should be tight enough to securely clamp the sprocket to avoid shuffling and potential shaft spline wear.

Andy

 

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I've just looked at my torque wrenches which I use for check-tightening. My Superslim only goes up to 50lbs and is 13" long. The big Norbar starts at 60 lbs and is 22 inches long. I think that you certainly need something between those two to reach 80 lbs. I find it rather difficult to assess torque with an adjustable...too many things moving about..

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Various suggestions have been offered for the alignment of the lockplate , it can be turned over which is an option.    A further two choices would be to reverse the nut or reposition the sprocket on the splines or both of these.                                                             For the purpose of tightening my friend uses a substantial tube/ box spanner and tommy bar, this gives the benefit of using two hands and avoids the spanner riding off the nut . Drilling an additional hole in the sprocket isn't really practical as it's hardened and tightening the nut will not pull the main bearing into it's housing.

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Lateral thinking.......Have you tried reversing the nut so that a different face is on the sprocket?

Alternatively.....Take the nut and rub it on some oiled fine grit Wet & Dry. This will easily take off enough off one face (probably 0.0001 thou) to allow the nut to rotate a fraction more than it did before.

In my greener days I used to hammer the nut round using a Brass drift until the holes lined up.

 



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