Ever since I acquired the bike there has been a problem with a dragging clutch when the clutch lever is pulled in making it very difficult to engage neutral as the transmission is loaded up due to the dragging clutch. Thought I had discovered the cause when I found one of the steel plates in the clutch pack slightly distorted (warped), replaced that plate but the problem persists. Have removed all ridges from the inner drum and all burrs on the steel plate dogs. What appears to be happening is, with the primary cover off and running the bike , when the clutch is pulled in the chain wheel outer clutch basket moves over towards the left as viewed while sitting on the bike and the clutch starts to drag. It appears the chain wheel outer clutch basket is falling off of the inner rollers thus causing the clutch to drag. The primary chain is correctly adjusted.
My questions are, has anyone else experienced this and if so how did they correct? What am I missing?
Welcoming all your comments.
Its a common failing, The…
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Isn't one of the issues…
Isn't one of the issues caused by excessive earbox main shaft end float, which provides lost motion that needs to be taken up in the clutch?
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Does the AMC box suffer with…
Does the AMC box suffer with excessive MS end float, ? not something I have seen .
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Thank you for your replies,…
Thank you for your replies, most interesting! Robert, I've sent you a PM.
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Cable Capers
Many of the replacement cables sold these days have nylon outer skins. These are generally useless on a Norton 650. The problem being the outer skin stretches at the sharp bends the cable has to turn through from the lever, down past the instruments and then along over the engine and down to the gearbox. This outer layer stretches and allows the coiled body to open up. When the lever is pulled the body coils are pulled towards each other rather than pulling the inner cable. The movement of the clutch lever gives the illusion that the inner cable is operating the clutch when actually it isn't really. A hot engine does not help as the heat softens the cables Nylon outer.
Purchase a good quality cable and try and fit it with a minimum of sharp bends. I used to buy the slightly longer cable fitted to the high bar Manxman 650. This allowed me to run the cable under the tank and along the right side frame rail before heading down to the gearbox.
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Seen some Manx clutches…
Seen some Manx clutches filled with some 50 rollers, no roller cage. Appears to have been a quite common mod. Only time I've experienced Manx clutch drag was when the centre nut came loose. But a 650SS clutch has more plates so more prone to dragging.
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Supplier may be Atlasball…
Supplier may be Atlasball and co
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Robert, have found a…
Robert, have found a supplier and have ordered them.
Thank you all for your replys and offers of help. Just as a follow up re clutch cable type, that's not the problem on my bike as I can see the outer basket move over to the left when I pull the clutch cable in ( primary chain case off so can see it). I measured the gap between the rollers and the outer basket at about .005" so ordered 1/4" rollers +.002 so should end up with a .001 gap that should stabilise the outer basket and stop it from causing the clutch from dragging.
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Sounds perfect Bill, where…
Sounds perfect Bill, where did you find the rollers ?, I spent some time looking. Its possible that you are having a similar problem to the one i had , Clutch not very secure on the shaft, In my case a new clutch spider was needed. If the shaft is not moving ,it has to be the spider. Not surprised you found 5 thou, I ordered a new race plate and found it gave even more clearance than the 60 year old one. Old worn out edwardian machinery at Nortons beats modern CNC ? , ha ha.
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I found the rollers at…
I found the rollers at Vintage Bearing Company on ebay, they are located in Derby. Thanks again for your help with this Robert
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I also found them there but…
I also found them there but discounted them as I thought they were taking the "P" a bit with prices !!.
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Its a common failing, The Manx racers used to have difficulty with push starts due to this. They improved things by measuring the clearance between rollers and track and fitting Rollers that were ! or2 thou oversize . I could get a 3 thou feeler in my 99 clutch so I fitted 1 thou OS rollers that took out 2 thou (1 thou each side!) leaving me with 1 thou clearance and much reduced wobble.I also filled a few thou off the outer edge of the plain plates as they were rubbing the inside of the drum somehow. I now set up the springs using a dial gauge and have a light clutch ,no drag ,easy neutral at a standstill etc. Finding OS rollers was a little difficult but they do exist.Think I had to buy 50. min order.Help a friend !.