Navigator side-stand

Umm - you’re not after the same one on flea bay that I’m after are you (lol)?

Bruce

Hi All,

These were not fitted as standard, as stated above.

They fitted OUTSIDE the frame, onto a longer stud than normal, at the point the downtube meets the lower frame rails. Personally, I do not like the design, and would worry aboyt the stud bending if undue pressure is put on it (like a child sitting on the bike, while parked).

Sad really, as the centre stand is hard work, unless you develop a knack for it...

And yes - the one on FleaBay is correct (eBay item number: 283968511651)

Here is a couple of photos of the side stand on my Navigator.  Would this be the genuine item? Looking at Andy's information the fitting on the frame looks to be Norton, what about the stand, it has two places to anchor the spring.

The spring is a bit feeble, wore diameter of 1.75mm, are new available?

The used side stand for a lightweight on ebay sold for £85 and I bet a number of us were interested.

Like Bryon, I should like to know if anyone has fitted a side stand from another Norton or other marque and if so how successful it was.

As I get older I am finding it harder to get my Jubilee onto the centre stand as it is such a rise. Good for removing the rear wheel but less friendly for parking the bike. I have to say the original side stands look a bit feeble. 

I see that bolt-on side stands (that grip the frame tube) are available quite cheaply, under £20, and so are side stands for small engine Enfields. I am thinking of modifying one of those to fit.

Dennis

hello now it ike  andy says  he dose not like this design so make your own  even better make a plate up to fit both bolt holes and you may need a spacer at one end  and have the part the stand fits to welded in place to this plate bracket,  in middle of both engine mount bolt holes  so this take twice the weigh and more safe  , yours  anna j

I recall that the lightweight side stand assembly was always fairly pricey when our spares scheme had them made. Was around £135 right?

Probably plus postage and VAT.

Have just seen part 22611, Side stand assembly lightweight twins, listed at £150.00 on the Norvil web site.

Of course this will be new, but the price is not so far from those re-manufacured by NOC.

Not the answer to your original question Lionel, but worth an enquiry by others if your lightweight is becoming a struggle to get on the centre stand.

Peter

Well done Bruce I think you got a bargain.  However, still no replies about other types of side stand that can be used on a lightweight not withstanding Anna's comment. I wish I had the skills and facilities to make a stand but I do not so adapting one from another source is my best bet.

Dennis

.. Anna's excellent advice (on this topic anyway) and used a Suzuki stand from ebay for around a tenner for my ES2. I had to make a mounting plate but that was easy enough.

Ian, 

That looks good. The plates look to give a much better anchorage than the single bolt on the original lightweight stand.

You don't happen to know which model of Suzuki the stand came off? 

Dennis

hello well you can see why andy dose not like this type of norton side stand  witch is way over priced as cheap looking  and bound to fail at any time  with only one stud holding it  Well Suzuki had the sense to make a good side stand  and kawasaki comes up close as there side stands are very good or you go all out to  fabricate your out ten time better than norton could ever do  Well I do not have a side stand for my Navigator so one of my own design is on the cards  good luck guys  yours   anna j

Anna, I have a Kawasaki side stand on my pre featherbed ES2, almost a straight bolt on for £20!  I haven’t looked at fitting on the Jubilee but it should be simple. 

Dan 

.. mine may be Kawasaki - sorry for confusing anyone. I think the model had several Zs in its name....

Looking back it was off a Kawasaki ZX600 / ZZR600.

Ditto!

I asked earlier in this thread If my Navigator had a Norton rather some other make side stand.  From the subsequent posts it seems I have. 

Anyone know why the stand has two locations for anchoring the spring?

Also, is there an up-stop or does the footrest spacer act as the up-stop as it does on mine?

Sorry John I don’t know but I expect Andy will - drop him a message.

This is my Kawasaki stand on my ES2 I’ll be fitting one to my Navigator. 
 

Ian (and Dan),

Thanks for the information on the Kawasaki stand.

Dennis

I bought a Kawasaki ZX600 side stand off ebay for £16 including postage. It is a robust item and  it looks like it will do the job on my Jubilee.  The stand looks identical to the one in Dan's photo.

I need to make up a small triangular plate to bolt the stand to the frame and a packing piece for the front lower frame bolt behind  the plate but that looks simple enough. The stand will be anchored to two frame/engine bolts so that should be strong enough.

Dennis

.. I've started worrying about all these Kawasakis falling over because Norton owners have pinched their stands.....

LOL

Well at least I increased the value of my Jubilee by the cost of the stand - £16!

Dennis

Inspired by all the comments above I thought I'd add a side stand to the "lockdown renovation" of my 1961 Navigator.

(To Ian Soady's point ... yes, there's another Kawasaki leaning against a wall somewhere.)

The photo shows the main steps for a couple of hours work, once the bits had arrived from ebay.

For those who look closely at the photos I emphasise "renovation" rather than "restoration" because there are several non-standard bits including a pair of fairing panels I made from sheet alloy (tin snips and rubber mallet essential), non-standard handlebars and the non-standard front mudguard which Andy S has already spotted. 

Thanks for the original inspiration for the stand. More fettling to do though so I'm off to the garage now to try and adjust the clutch so I don't need to develop a left forearm the size of Popeye's to operate it.

Tom McM 

Tom,

Very helpful.

I have not fitted my side stand yet (another resto on the bike lift at the moment) but when I do I will follow your example.

Dennis

Great stuff and helpful pics,just bought a zzr stand off ebay for £15 to put on my Navigator. Barrie.

Hi Tom

Nice work, That's exactly how I intend to fit mine, although I have toyed with the idea of welding on a bracket extension rather than a bolted one.

Dan

Finally fitted the Kawasaki side stand to my Jubilee today and it went well. For about £20 it is a really good solution. I only had to use a frame stud in place of an engine stud to attach it plus a bracing plate.

Dan's photo of his ES2 above looks like my fitment.

The bike sits well on the side stand and is well balanced. It looks like the stand is meant  to be there.

I find the Jubilee is hard to get on to the centre stand so a side stand will come in useful.

Thank you for all the advice,

Dennis