Broken side stand bracket

Hello Friend now send this to me And I make it  better then new  Email  annajeannette@btinternet,com  yours  anna J  

... I would not feel comfortable with a welded repair however expert the welder.

My Mercury stand broke like this a few years ago.  So, when RGM introduced their new side stand I bought one and was most impressed with the quality and finish of it.  I've had this fitted for over 5 years and can recommend them.

Can you post photos, Anna? £25 sounds good, but another 3 hours of skilled labour to design and fabricate the brackets could easily come to well over £150 for other mortals, with no guarantee of success.

... following her suggestion I used such a stand for my ES2. I made the brackets from an odd alloy engine plate I had lying about.

Hello all I cannot show you any photos as I am trying to use this smart phone but there On the NOC web site as this. Topic as come up before now yours Anna j

Hello all if any of you need any welding done and alloy welding to my address .Kilpins Country Club main Rd Belby Howden East Yorkshire DN14 7UZ  yours Anna j                      PS only charges will be at cost to me no labour charges will be charged Ok

Is the bracket made of cast iron or cast steel.

There is a world of difference between the two when it comes to welding.

Mike

This is the reason that Norton Matchless Divison, designed and produced a much stronger, wider and thicker prop stand lug, with an 035 part number in 1968. Norvil, sell the better and stronger prop stand lug. The reason that this bracket lug can break is that some owners will try to start their twins on the prop stand. These prop stand lugs would break all the time. Many a frame that has been returned from North America has had that lug welded to the lower frame rail.

It would be so much safer for you to buy a new side stand bracket.

My side stand (on a ES2) let go once and the bike fell in top of a brand new Triumph something-or-other. Not much damage - if any - to the Triumph but a smashed headlamp, headlamp rim and reflector for the Norton.

You have to ask "what's it worth?"

George

Roger,

Have a look at this website, it's got lots of good photos.

https://guanchi.wordpress.com/2017/10/09/a-featherbed-side-stand/

Phil

I bought a side stand from Andover Norton for my 1960 Dommie 99. I got it from AN as I thought it would be a good fit but it’s not. When I fit it with the bracket leaning against the engine plate (as advised in the instructions), the bike leans over at such an alarming angle that it looks like it will fall onto its left side. To get to a ‘sensible’ lean angle, I’ve had to twist the stand bracket around the frame rail so that there is a 1.8mm gap between the back of the stand bracket and the engine plate. I now have to work out how to fit a 1.8mm spacer plate between the stand bracket and the engine plate (I don’t have welding gear). Side stands are useful but even buying from ‘the better supplier’ isn’t necessarily an easy solution!

Regards

Tony

Never having really developed any welding skills I gave my old arc welding unit to my middle aged son and told him to practice and learn.  Surprisingly he did just that and so my  orriginal 1960 side stand is now  usefull for the first time in 60 years , the centerstand has new thicker feet (old car brake pads) and the underframe abutment pads have been built up so the bike does not drop overcenter too much and is easier for this old guy to operate.   Result!!.  get a cheap welder and learn ,  You will be glad. 

Hello All- I do love the help we give each other. (I am even a particular fan of Anna's comments too- They are so to- the- point, even if she doesn't waste time on niceties! )
So I have a 650ss that has had its side stand bracket tack-welded to the frame. Annoying, but it appears to be in the right place. Nevertheless I really don't like the stubby little original side stand with its badly angled "foot".  Yes, it could use some welding to get it to track/stop a bit straighter to the bike,  but honestly, can't one just modify a nice long later Commando side stand and get something useful, accessible and reliable on there? Has anyone tried this?
 
 Cheers
Tristan
 

My original side stand failed in the usual place when the cast bracket broke into two pieces. I also did not like the stubby stand, I always was unsure if it would fall over or not..  So I used a late 60’s Triumph/BSA twin stand, which I bought new as Harris still make them and made a bracket that is bolted to the front near side engine plate. It folds away perfectly.

For belt and braces I added an extra engine plate outboard of the front lug, just needed some 1/4 inch stainless spacers and slightly longer front engine mounting bolts ( all available on eBay).  End result for less money than a replacement stand and bracket for your favourite Norton spares supplier is a rock solid and trusty side stand. A real bonus is that I did not have to dismantle the primary transmission to fit it and will not have to in order to maintain it  in the future. 

You may be able to use Tri/BSA stand to fit your welded on bracket, unless your lug is female  - for  a commando stand.

That looks a really great job Edward,  any chance of some more pics of the bracket etc and the stand in the up position?

I have been intending to make something up to fit a spare Velocette propstand to my 350, but I really like what you have done.

Thanks for your comment Niall.

I have attached 3 photos showing - the bits required - before painting the extra engine plate and a slightly more detailed shot of the finished job.  I did not take a shot of the stand folded as it more or less hides behind the exhaust, with only the tip sticking out below the footrest. As much if not more ground clearance than the standard stand.

PM me if you want any more info: I can send you the sizes etc if you want, and I also have the alloy template that I made for the mounting lug (to get the best length and angle for the optimum lean angle), which is no use to me now. 

Some years ago I came up with my own version. I purchased the side stand clamp from RGM and fitted the clamp to the frame tube and braced the clamp to the front frame mount. This was time consuming but the result well worth it. In the pic notice the cut down coach bolt. The round end is all that protrudes from underneath of the exhaust pipe. I can deploy or retract the side stand whilst sitting on the bike.

... that's a very neat job.