I've put this post in General as, although my gearbox is from a Mod 7 or Dommie 88 (1955) it s often found in ES2's or other 500 singles. My problem is that on reassembly I find that the quadrant or the camplate spindle nuts can be tightened to the point where the camplate or quadrant don't actually move.
Whats the trick to tightening them correctly? If I loosen them off surely they'll simply come undone?
Cheers
George
Have you replaced the bush…
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I've put this post in General as, although my gearbox is from a Mod 7 or Dommie 88 (1955) it s often found in ES2's or other 500 singles. My problem is that on reassembly I find that the quadrant or the camplate spindle nuts can be tightened to the point where the camplate or quadrant don't actually move.
Whats the trick to tightening them correctly? If I loosen them off surely they'll simply come undone?
Cheers
George
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Last post disappeared into the ether! Thanks Richard. Yes, Idid renew the bushes. They are the correct ones. I think I'll take the bolts out, apply some threadlok and retighten sufficiently that the camplate and quadrant move freely. The spring washer and threadlok should hold it all safely? Wonder what they did back in the 50's? George
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Last post disappeared into the ether! Thanks Richard. Yes, Idid renew the bushes. They are the correct ones. I think I'll take the bolts out, apply some threadlok and retighten sufficiently that the camplate and quadrant move freely. The spring washer and threadlok should hold it all safely? Wonder what they did back in the 50's? George
If these bolts were tight when you stripped the gearbox but you can't tighten them now would suggest that the bushes are slightly too long or not fitted into the casing fully. Just because the bushes are the "correct ones" doesn't automatically mean that they are right! I've been caught out on that a few times.
I would strongly advise that you sort it out correctly now. You have already spent a lot of time and effort rebuilding the box and I feel that by using spring washers and Loctite you are only asking for it to come back and bite you in the backside at a later date.
Colin
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I agree. The shoulders on…
I agree. The shoulders on the spindles should be slightly longer than the bushes so that when the bolts are fully tightened against the washers there is slight end float.
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Thanks guys. I'll whip it…
Thanks guys. I'll whip it all apart again (!) and check the spindles and the bushes. I should be quite good at this by the time I finish. Thanks for your help. George
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The bushes should be flush…
The bushes should be flush on the outside and proud inside the box if fully home. It sounds as if they're too long. Do you still have the old bushes to compare ?
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Yes I do Richard. I'll ch…
Yes I do Richard. I'll check it tomorrow ( after F1). Very grateful for your input.
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Dismantled everything and…
Dismantled everything and pulled the camplate bush a bit further in to the shell until it was absolutely level with the outer part of the casing. I also changed the large washers (fitted by PO) between the spring washer and the shell for smallers one which did not bear on the casing so much. Seems a bit easier although much easier when the indexing plunger is loosened off. There must be a colossal force from the gear lever to make the camplate move, although the whole thing is currently dry of course. Indexing plunger is about 20mm long whilst the spring is about 25mm. I believe they are both correct as the AMC plunger is longer. Cheers
George
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New problem! Plate TN in t…
New problem! Plate TN in the Parts List shows a washer TN12 between the thrust washer TN11 and the mainshaft pinion. There was none there when I disembowelled the box and it is not listed in the parts. Does it exist? Cheers George
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Hi, I rebuilt a commando b…
Hi, I rebuilt a commando box last year, and found it all fitted OK. I have a Matchless box I thought would do my new N15 cs, but now you have me concerned that a spares kit will not fit. Have you remembered the tiny O rings each side of the Quadrant shaft? When I started fitting, it was usual to Stake the threads on moving parts because of production tolerances. When I built big Printing Presses bearings were scraped and shimmed. Machine tolerances before CNC lathes were pretty big. Precision is costly on old machines. I had a picture taken inside BSA's factory before ww1 and when they closed. Nothing changed, still the same old belt driven machines, fit only for scrap and worn out after ww2. Every factory in GB was the same in the fifties, so selective assembly or pot-luck. I made good money re-tooling Rover before they closed, unbelievable how badly alighned some tooling was when new.
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No O rings on my box, Paul…
No O rings on my box, Paul. It's a mid- fifties Dommie laydown box.
Don't be concerned about a spares kit. If you order for the correct box you should get the correct kit. The problem was with me - not seeing the embedded roller-retaining washer inside the bearing. All sorted now.
George
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Have you replaced the bushes ? Are they too long ? The shoulder on the spindles should stand slightly high.