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Cylinder head unbolted but not free!

Okay, Nortoneer's I undid the cylinder head and removed All of the bolts x 5, nuts x 5 and have carefully tapped the Inlet ports and Exhaust ports with a rubber mallet and the head is stuck on there like it is still bolted down!

The book says put spark plugs back in and turn over to compression and "blow it off" presumably and use compression to free it, is this normal?

 

Granted the head is 50 years old and may never have been unbolted before!

 

 

John

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Assuming you're absolutely sure all of the fasteners have been removed I found a nylon drift and a focussed whack, sorry measured impact, with a hammer was a more effective way of moving it. A soft mallet is more difficult to target.

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You could always try the old trick of removing the plug, set piston at about mid stoke, feed sting through the plug hole and when full, crank the engine. I have never tried this but something like it is on one of the heavy twins videos, I think.

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If you are going to use the string method as Charles recommends, be sure that you start on the compression stroke such that the valves are closed.  You don't want the wad of string to bend a valve.

  Mike

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I have loosened mine by running the motor with the bolts slack, but a 2x2 timber under the exhaust port and a good whack  is the usual method. 

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Or, a bit of lateral thinking!  If the engine was running, replace the 5 head bolts, leaving them with a little slack, then start the engine.

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I would refer readers to Adrian Dedman's technical session delivered on 19th May 2002 at the BMF Rally (self explanatory images attached).

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If the motor is out of the frame and you intend to entirely strip it, take the head and barrel off as a unit.                               Lay the assembly on an old cushion or similar. Knock the head free using a piece of 2x2 timber through the bores. This has worked for me on a couple of occasions, but if your motor is staying in the frame you'll have to stay with those suggestions already offered.

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Assuming that you have removed ALL of the fasteners etc, old age has probably caused the joint to glue itself together. Some all round gentle heat from a hot air gun or the better half's hair dryer around the joint might do it and shouldn't cause any damage or affect the castings. While its hot a few sharp smacks should be sufficient to break the "stuck-tion".  Once you get the joint broken you should be able to tap in some soft wedges, (plastic of aluminium) to part the faces without damaging them. This is a common problem on old face joints that haven't moved for decades and is best done with a copious amounts of patience.

 

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Ummh! Quite a lot to think about here. Thanks for all the input.

I have not been down to the Workshop today, but the engine is out of the frame and I might go with Ian's suggestion, aplying some heat as well just to do a belt and braces action plan in reverse!

 

 

John

 

 

John

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I had this problem with my model 7.  I couldn’t get the head off, but the barrels and head together came off the crankcase.  I put them on the barbeque on the other side from the burner, lid down and kept an eye on the temp.

Took them out, refitted to the crankcase and tapped gently under the exhaust ports and off came the head. 
Sausages didn’t taste so great.

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Sorry Guys had a delay, (Life), been clearing my garden big time as I want to restore it. Waterfall, 20 foot pond and importantly, my own garage workshop done up, re-roofed n' extended! Off down to the workshop today, ( My Mates), so should have the head off by lunch time.

Last time down there undid the barrel, ready for pulling/bashing off and  the plan is  use some wood and a lump hammer to freethe barrel & head from the cases.

 

 

John

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Went down to the workshop and can't find my mate so no progress made.

 

 

John

 

This I why I need my garage workshop doing!

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You have counted all ten, haven't you? Including the last one at bottom dead centre underneath the carburetor?

Yes , David thank you for you concern, I struggle patiently to get the three under-slung Barrel nuts off two at the front and one at the rear and at the end had five nut, and five bolts, however as for fingers I have been using an axe in the garden a lot recently and been aware of fingers toes and shins are vulnerable, so I have worked hard to stay intact in the digit arena!

 

 

John

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Well, should I be celebrating I now have even more bits and pieces to play with, but I did the combined, head and barrel off method, copiously sprayed down the spark plug holes as I started to further loosen the barrel nuts, wriggle the barrel free, loosening the nuts a little at a time, after clouting a piece of wood with a rubber hammer under the exhaust and inlet ports, as I lifted the barrels they came off smooth and sweet, laid them down, a piece of wood through to the head and it came off in a lovely peaceful surrender!

Any yet, ten minutes before I could pick the whole engine up by the head, taking precautions and nothing moved!

 

 

John 

 



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