Taking a bike abroad - Brexit

I read on one of the competition websites (can't find it again now...) that vehicles which are road-registered, taxed and insured are not subject to these regulations, hence the first paragraph above. It will be necessary (pretty much as previously) to have all documentation to hand.

Brexit wasn't intended to make life easier or more pleasant for anyone was it ? There was never any real possibility of that.

As I understand it, the carnet system is for those carrying the tools of their trade for work purposes. If you're a professional racer then, I guess, you should have thought this through before voting to leave the EU. But for amateurs there should not be an issue but maybe a bit more hassle. You might have to prove you own the bike, which is where that V5 discussion is coming from, and be able to show where you're going with it, but otherwise it is just a holiday. And a rally - that's just like meeting a bunch of mates down the pub.

I've never raced a motorbike outside the UK (& IoM) but I do race bicycles in France in mass-participation events, (sort of like to the London marathon). Two bicycles (each worth as much as a Commando), wheels, spares, clothing. And then there's an entry process with a fee and medical certificate. So not very different from motorsport. As far as I'm aware, this continues as before for us holiday racers, i.e. it's just a holiday. And I can't see why trailering your bike to a rally should be any different to a couple of bicycles strapped to the back of a motorhome - so long as you can answer any questions that might be asked.

As for the quoted conversation, if I wanted to race a motorbike in France I'd be directing my question to the event organiser, the CRMCC and the ACU. Can't imagine why I'd involve the local chamber of commerce.

No doubt Gino will drop in and tell you to ride the bike to the rally because you can't be done for speeding anymore....

Ride your bike etc etc :-)

A point worth noting though is the V5 is not proof of ownership, I realised this on entering Nicaragua when the typical Central American border official who allegedly only spoke Spanish pointed out the bold statement on the front of my wife and I v5’s and said it was not proof of ownership.

we got through but it did make me aware.

I was unaware the carnet system had been brought in for the temporary export of goods in Europe? 

What does the ACU say about this problem?

Surely not every automobile that goes to the European Mainland carries their ownership papers with them?

Would photo copies suffice?

Mike

Very few countries give owners a 'Producer' for vehicle documents. In most European countries it's always been compulsory to carry them at all times and vehicles are regularly impounded if they are not present. Carrying them is not such a problem for cars but a nuisance for owners of more than one motorcycle as it's always the wrong papers in a jacket pocket.

Photocopies in general are not acceptable, but in practice sometimes are. In the case of hired or borrowed vehicles it's also necessary to have a letter of permission from the registered keeper.

Mercifully, the UK has never required documents to be carried. And you have 7 days to present them at a police station of your own choice.  There's no way Government would draft laws as liberally as that nowadays.

Of course nobody with any sense leaves documents in a parked vehicle, and the European State laws mean you cannot legally leave a car parked for another insured user to drive.