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Shocks for Surrogate Manx

As many of you know by now, I'm building a Model 50-engined classic racer (surrogatemanx.wordpress.com). And as many of you also know, I'm no seasoned tinkerer, nor very knowledgeable in British bikes. However, I just get on with things and ask advice where needed, which seems the way to go, as the project is going well.

Still, and this is where I desperately need some input, I am a bit at a loss what to do with the rear shocks. With the Roadholder forks already having new stanchions and, in a couple of months, new bushes and the addition of damper internals, they will be as good as they would have been new. Which, as I was told by a veteran Manx GP racer, is good enough.

The front forks don’t have any adjustable damping arrangements, so I’m comfortable with rear shocks that don’t have any either. Yet, the forks can be modified if I wish, with a change of oil viscosity as the easiest option and drilling or plugging holes or altering bush sizes as the other.

I’d like some period looking rear shocks that I can do the same with, but most of them nowadays can’t be serviced. They just have to be replaced. As I don’t want to go down the fully adjustable and VERY expensive route, I’m afraid I have to opt for the simpler, non-serviceable ones.

However, I’ve put some new Girling replica’s on my road going Model 50 and am not very happy with them. They showed rust coming from inside the covers since the first ride in the rain, and they’re squeaky ever since. The damping action is better than the worn old Armstrong dampers (as in: there is some), but still leaves a lot to be desired.

Instead, I thought about Hagons, as at least you can have them made up with a spring weight to match bike and rider. As I’m lucky not to have grown in circumference in decades, most general shocks have springs that are a bit too strong for me. This results in a rebound that’s way too fast. So the option of choosing a spring rate is a must.

ADVICE NEEDED
Looking at their line-up, I noticed the length for a Model 50 or Dominator (wideline) should be 33 cm, while 34 cm is specified for a Manx. I’d rather go for a Manx option, as the damping should be better suited for racing. But I do have to ask them, as it’s an assumption.

Question 1
Are the frame mounts for Manxes different, or are they just put more ‘on the nose’ with 1 cm longer shocks to give them a sportier steering head angle? I wouldn’t mind that, as the large diameter wheels will make the bike very stable, but less nimble too.

Also, when looking for rear shocks, I’m a bit at a loss regarding quality. I have to admit that I haven’t kept up my knowledge of the market. I know Maxton would be the way to go if I wanted to go down the high-end route, which would be like buying a space shuttle and then fly to London with it. I just wouldn’t use their full potential if I didn’t upgrade the forks to be fully adjustable too. Which I wont. Doing that would defy the purpose of the Surrogate Manx project in proving anyone can go racing on a budget. And the pain in my wallet would be excruciating…

Then there’s the fact that I don’t really need high-end right now. I always remember Dutch racer Wilco Zeelenberg telling me once that many trackday riders would ask him for the right suspension setup and tire pressure. Or which upgrades he would recommend. He would give them some general advice, but told me: “What they should be focussing on, is going a lot faster before things like that are going to make a difference." And regarding upgrades, he told me: "They’re mostly just throwing their money away.”

Okay, back to the subject at hand: shocks, and which ones to get. I know Hagon always was a good compromise between price and quality. And they seem alright for what I’m going to do, but surely they’re not the only ones.

Question 2
Are there any other brands out there that might be interesting? Preferably with serviceable parts, as that means I can experiment a little.

Cheers,

Tim

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Thanks for that Ian. I've never heard of NJB, but I looked into it and they seem to get quite a bit of positive feedback. I've e-mailed Norman in my lunch break today and got a lengthy reply before I was even finished! And no, I'm not a slow eater...

The prices are VERY affordable, so I might be tempted to place an order when I've acquired a bit more parts to know what the bike will weigh, including myself, to get the spring rate and damping right.

 

I'm still curious about others, but I do have a good feeling about NJB.

Cheers,

Tim

 

 

 

Tim I put some on my ES2 about 5 years ago.
I had to get Bonneville items to get the length right and seeing as I'm 90 odd kg the spring rate is pretty good.

I must admit I only bought them because they were cheap and didn't expect much from them, but i have been pleasantly surprised.

I have to say they are well made and look very good. 

I'd buy another set if I ever needed them.

Don Anson
Melbourne 

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I used some NJBs on my scrambler but they are not rebuildable and the damping was disappointing. My Hagon Road shocks are very over sprung. I'll be changing them soon. I can recommend Falcon shocks, rebuildable and good value.  Give them a call Robin is easy to talk to and knows his stuff. 
Dan.

https://falconshockabsorbers.co.uk/class-rrpg01.htm

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these are rebuildable, and there was a company in Uk that would rebuild them, so overall, not a cheaper option.
   If you give us your weight, someone may have good advice on spring rates!

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Hagon will build shocks with the springs to suit your weight and riding style if you ask them.
You can also buy different springs on their own should you want to experiment.
 

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All very useful comments. And not only for me. Thanks for that.

Regarding spring rate: there are online calculators, but most of them are for bicycles. I have to find a formula yet.

Dry weight of the bike will be under 120 kg (I didn't go lightweight, as bespoke engine plates and titanium nuts and bolts, et cetera, would break the bank). Unsprung weight for the rear is 20 kg and the wheelbase is 141 cm.

Including rider, safety gear and fluids (mostly for the bike), the total weight is under 215 kg.

I wouldn't know how damping (compression and rebound) are specified.

For now, NJB's will be in line with the project I think. They seem to be well made enough for my purpose and they're very affordable. Which is surprising, as overal reviews rate them significantly better than those oversprung and underdamped cheap replicas you can buy. And if the show is on the road, only time will tell if I'm still fast enough to consider upgrading to adjustable suspension.

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My advice to anyone is buy the best shocks you can afford, our roads are not in the best condition and having something that doesn't knock you off line or shake your fillings out is important. Cheap shocks are cheap for a reason!

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As the Roadholder forks have their own limitations, I've decided not to go for shocks that are over-specified. After extensive contact with Norman from NJB, I've ordered a pair with springs that match the weight of the bike (with fluids) and myself (didn't think of the fluids...).

 



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