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Mk3 Roadster Lucas Main Wiring Harness Question

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On the wiring harness p/n 06.6396 there are 4 red wires (see picture) and one seems to go nowhere. I cannot find the other end and need help to know what it is for?

Of the 4 wires 2 are positive ground. The third goes to the Accessory Plug & Socket (06.2666), which therefore needs to connect to one of the 2 ground wires. The other red ground wire goes to the horn.

This leaves the forth red wire that is not ground and I cannot find where the other end terminates?

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Several observations here. The Lucas company finished in the mid 1980s. The name is used by the Wassell empire to remanufacture parts, mostly these parts are adequate, but if you have any problem with the technial side of things then you should contact Wassell, but of course you won't get any technical understanding.

Any red wires in this loom will be considered EARTH. So connect it to the bike and 'go for it' or connect a continuity tester on any earth and 'chase' them all around.

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Thanks Alan, and yes I am familiar with Wassell not being strong on electrical tech issues hence coming to this forum.

I have done the chasing the wire around with a multimeter with no success and was hoping someone has come across this issue before and knows the answer. I'm just not keen on earthing this wire and seeing what happens.

 

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The four red wires you have circled, are they joined together? what terminals do they have? Are  the Zener diodes earthed by paired red wires? (two red wires crimped to one ring terminal?)  Loom makers use the crimps to join the various reds together   A photo of the loom would be helpful. Disconnect everything. then connect one test lead from your multi meter to battery earth (positive) use the other test lead and check each red wire terminal for continuity. You should see all the reds are a whole (connected together)    

The four wires each have a bullet connector. Zener's have there own earth wires attached to Z-Plates. I did not take a photo of the loom before I installed it. I have connected the "rouge" wire to all red wires I could access on the bike without success.

I just do not know where this red wire goes?

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This exact same harness.  The four reds go to a suitable earthing point.  This harness exactly matched the previous old harness, unlike another one I bought!

There is also an important modification required to this wiring diagram. It's on Grant Tiller's web site:

Grant Tiller | Bad Earth

Two of the 4 red wires go to Earth. The third goes to the Accessory Plug & Socket (06.2666), which uses one of the 2 Earth wires. The other red Earth wire goes to the horn.

This leaves one Red wire - which I have no idea where it goes?

I have used multimeter to try and find the other end without success!

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I would have thought it better to delete the unreliable (highly stressed by movement) wire to the cylinder head and keep the loom earth to battery positive wire on the Mk3. Just my opinion.

Regards, Al.

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The wires you are referring to wouldn't be above the oil tank? as I had a similar problem with an Andover Mk3 loom, after contacting Andover I was told that my loom had been supplied without the correct connector and are linked to a common connector. Posted are before and after photos. 

Hi Alan R.,

Looks like you had the same issue - and thanks for the pictures which look like my wiring (the before picture).

I think I can safely connect the wires as you did.

Many thanks to everyone for all you help and suggestions.

Richard

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I would have thought it better to delete the unreliable (highly stressed by movement) wire to the cylinder head and keep the loom earth to battery positive wire on the Mk3. Just my opinion.

Yes BUT, what you are forgetting is that the ignition -spark plug/coil has to have a route from the spark plug back to the battery/earth. Bearing in mind that the Commmando engine is wobbling in 'rubber'. But again you have the starter current large cable to the crank cases so perhpas this takes the strain?

 

 

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Yes but, I wasn’t forgetting the spark plugs at all, we are talking Mk3 so starter earth lead is all that’s needed.

Regards, Al.

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The wiring loom mentioned above is NOT for a MKIII Commando. The original MKIII with its Hi Output alternator had 2 zenor diodes fitted on the AC side of the rectifier (on the two zed plates). In some respects this issue is accademic as anyone rebuilding a MKIII would not have access to new zenerdiodes-there isn't any new ones since the mid 80s You could have the old ones checked (I can do this). OR you would probably change to a modern regulator/rectifier for battery charging. In which case the loom shown could be used, but there is also the potential issue of Electronic igniton-another few issue to over come/understand within the wiring supplied.

You might also notice wires going to the 'starter motor' not so this would be the starter 'solenoid'. 

 



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