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Good afternoon,
I want to fit a side stand to my ~1930 framed model 18. The club lists a bolt on stand part number E2/1014 for years 1945 to 1957. What has to be done to adapt it for my older bike?

Thanks

John

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John,
I want to fit a side stand to my Model 18 as well, but I don't think the bracket on E2/1014 will adapt that well.  I have one of these stands fitted to my mid 50's ES2 so may be able to offer it up against my Model 18 to compare the fixing points.

However, whilst on the International Norton Rally in the Czech Republic several years ago I spotted a 1928 Model 18 with a side stand fitted, but couldn't find the owner to ask what he'd done to make the stand.  But I did take some photos to aid me with making one.  These were taken in the Telc town square where we stopped for a lunch break.  This looks as though it would be the same for your 1930 Model 18 frame.

If anyone recognises the bike and knows the owner I would like to make contact to find out more about the side stand.
 

John,
When I looked at the photos again I thought that the adapted Telc stand was the same as a Norton Model 7 (1954).  So tonight I've offered a Model 7 stand up to the engine and it may work for the angle and length.  The Model 7 bracket has two vertical holes for bolting to the frame, so is similar.  However, Model 7 side stands are not as common as ES2 or Model 18 stands.

Then when I've studied the Telc photos again I believe this is a well made homemade stand, with a special, strengthened front engine plate alongwith a sump guard that will transfer some of the load away from the crankcases.

It looks like we'll have to learn some blacksmithing skills to make one ourselves!  The photo shows the Model 7 bracket and engine plate alongside an ES2 bracket and leg.  The leg is the same for both models as the frames are nearly the same, except for the petrol tank and engine plates mountings.

I'll try and investigate further to develop this idea.  It won't be that soon though as I've other bikes to keep running.

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My 1930 ES2 acquired a number of years ago was previously used as a race bike through out it's operating history. Consequently there were no stands fitted. The realignment of the rear brake rod to get greater efficiency prevented the fitment of a rear stand.
For many years I carried a jack from a sidecar drive Big 4 outfit to use as a stand.

Last year I acquired another genuine stand for my 1952 ES2 and found that it was longer than the one currently on the bike. 
It was swapped over and gave better operation with a more upright positioning. The shorter original stand was then surplus.

While doing an oil change on the 1930 ES2 I found that the surplus stand fitted the front engine plates perfectly and the shorter leg gave a perfectly operating side stand as seen in the photo. 
The shorter stand leg is 4 cm shorter than the longer one and suits the lower ground clearance of the ES2's 3 stay frame.

The distance from the pivot bolt to the lower spring mount is the same on both legs.

The 1950 parts book shows a different part number for the side stand of the o.h.c  models so possibly the shorter leg is for the post war o.h.c. frames. Someone may be able to confirm this.

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The side stand on my 1955 ES2 has always been a cause of concern as it seems too short and allows the bike to lean over at a precarious angle.  I think the Mitas tyres fitted may be deeper in profile and exacerbates the situation.  The attached scan from the ES2 and Model 7 Spare Parts List shows two different part numbers for the single and the twin.

The early model 7 used a 21" front wheel, so I've wondered if they had a longer side stand to compensate for the higher frame?

In the "Spare Parts List for Models 1, 16H, 18 and ES2 for 1948 and 1949 and Models 30,40, 30M and 40M for 1946 to 1949 inclusive" they list a prop stand, but this is shown in the illustration as the main centre stand!

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According to Bacon's Norton Singles, there
were different ground clearances for different models.  Post war Inters are listed with 5" and ES2 with 6". Prewar rigid Inters had less than 4" (problems with road humps today...)
Other models had other values.  ES2 looks highest, so maybe the side stand is just a compromise?
They used to use "prop stand" for what we now call "centre stand".  The usual stand was the rear pull-up type but they don't fit with swing arm rear suspension.  The prop stand didn't lift the bike off the floor.   Handy in the garage but not very secure against knocks or on sloping ground.

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John. 
If you have a good rear stand why would you need to? 
I've never felt the need fir a side stand on an early Norton. 
If you absolutely need to then there are any number of ways to do so. 
Making a side stand from scratch if you've got a hammer and a lathe and access to someone who can weld is pretty simple stuff. 
I've seen people use those telescopic units before and also the option of one with the pivot fabricated to the front left hand engine mount. 
With the exhaust on the left it's not the easiest thing to work round, especially if you have a silencer, so making something bespoke from scratch is always going to look better than a modified tube clamp type. 
If you look on the Norton Singles site there is some pics of me making the 500T stand which may or may not help. 

 

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