Afternoon chaps.
Quick question how much oil should there be in the valve adjustment area?
Am I right in thinking it's just an oily mist if you're lucky?
I took it out for a quick half a mile spin and as you can see, it was perfectly dry. Should I be checking something else?
from what I can read in my manual that has just arrived is that the valve clearances Or rather lack of valve clearances, Adjust so the pushrods spin freely And the exhaust push Rod is a little tiny bit slacker?
you should have some oil up…
you should have some oil up there. If the push rod seal fails you will see oil dribbling down the tubes.
What is that 1/2 moon shape item in there ?.
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Thanks Ian. I thought it had…
Thanks Ian. I thought it had to be the case. The half moon thing is part of a rubber gasket.
In your experience, what should I be checking out for If I were to take the rocker box off?
There is a little tiny bit of play in the rockers shaft and the phosphor bronze bearing carrier.
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On the 38-46 engines,…
On the 38-46 engines, lubrication to the valves is by oil mist (personally I think this should be spelt " missed ") coming up the push rod tubes. If i remove my valve adjustment cover, there is a little oil around the gasket but not a lot. In my personal opinion (I'm sure other people with this model may have different views) the amount of oil mist will depend upon how much oil is within the timing gear chamber and how the engine breathes. The former is controlled partially by the pressure relief valve in the timing cover. The latter is controlled by a breather valve on the left crankcase, just behind the inner primary chain case.
The figure of eight shaped seal on the push rod tubes sits in a similarly shaped recess in the rocker box and cover. The flanges of this are very thin and are known getting damaged. I suspect that the upper flange on yours is damaged and this is why the seal is lifting upwards. They can be repaired by competent welding and re-machining. I have recently picked up a damaged one as a spare and repaired it.
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Thanks so much for the…
Thanks so much for the response.
I will investigate further, but you mention about the crank case breather but this is currently what it has. Do you see any issues here?
there is a fraction of play in the rocker shafts also Which I'm thinking is a wee too much
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The breather looks correct…
The breather looks correct. In the union that goes into the crankcase, there should be a ball valve.
With regard to the play on the shafts, I would rather that than too tight, especially with the low lubrication. Franks book on the subject says that endfloat should be minimal and can be shimmed. I shimmed mine and the reduction in top end clatter was noticeable.
On my engine, the previous owner had drilled and tapped a 2BA hole into each valve spring chamber so he could squirt a bit of extra oil in occasionally. I ran the engine with these screws removed and the pumping effect into these chambers was quite surprising.
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Thanks so much for that…
Thanks so much for that information, Colin. I don't know if the end of the crank case breather does have a ball valve Whilst it was running, it was seem to be very even as in suction and blowing and that sort of tells me that their potentially could be valve.
Really appreciate your input and expertise!
Now I'm attacking the dynamo;))))
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You can check the breather…
You can check the breather operation by pushing some plastic tube over the breather pipe and sucking and blowing - you should be able to suck out, but not blow in.
John
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Many thanks John, im on it…
Many thanks John, im on it tomorrow !
good advice!
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Model 18 valves
Looking at the engine number it looks like your bottom end is post 1960. Would this have any bearing on the oil issues?
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Mists of time 1938.
Hi Mathew, one method of improving the oil mist to the valves is to put a breather on the exhaust near-side of the rockerbox. This will give a constant air (and oil) flow over the exhaust valve which is where the oil is most needed, the inlet usually gets enough as it runs cooler.
Hi Simon, the engine number is correct for 1938. When production re-started after WW2 the numbers also re-started at 1001 with the relevant prefix for year and model. For 1960 the numbers had gone full circle and back up to 85000+ and these engines will have the alternator type crankcases.
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Model 18 valves
Thankyou Richard. I did actually twig the lack of alternator fixings after I posted. But I was still confused about the numbering, you are constantly learning with these old bikes.
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Hmmm thanks Richard. Makes…
Hmmm thanks Richard.
Makes total sense and hasnto be more conducive to longevity. Would you have pictures of a potential alteration?
Cheers
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Rockerbox breather.
Hi Mathew,
No, sorry I don't have any photos of this mod as it was many years ago before digital cameras. The best place is the flat section on the nearside of the lower seperate section of the rocker box. You should have enough area to drill and tap a 1/4 inch BSP hole to take a 90 degree brass elbow which will keep the pipe close to the top frame tube. This can then be led down the rear down tube and fitted along-side the crankcase breather pipe. The crankcase breather does not have enough flow at higher revs, so the rockerbox breather will help with this.
I have attached a photo of my 1948 Model 18 vintage racer with the later engine which shows extra breathers needed when running at maximum revs.
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Thank you, Richard most…
Thank you, Richard most appreciated, In the back of my mind, I was slightly contemplating tapping off the oil return brass pipe and feeding it through the rockers shafts With a cross drill Midway where the tappets reside,
At the end of the day it lasted this long so why change what works but it is in the back of my mind;))
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Sorry attached now.