Hi, New member, first post.
I have just procured a project 1973 750 Commando, which is now almost completely disassembled.
It appears that the bike had been run for some time with the alternator rotor floating around and as a result the keyway has been badly damaged (see image). In other respects the crank seems to be in good nick (although +40).
What are my options?
Thanks
Matt
Proper repair: weld and…
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Easy Option
Just get a new key way cut opposite the old one. Most small engineering companies can do this kind of job. This saves messing about with brazing or welding then re-cutting. The new slot will not weaken the shaft. A key can be fashioned to fit the new slot.
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Why not make a key that fits…
Why not make a key that fits snugly in that slot? It's not heavily stressed but needs to be snug so the nut doesn't vibrate loose.
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I'm going to make a key..
Thanks for the replies. I have decided to make a key. It is at least reversible.
I have made an impression of the damaged keyway and it doesn't look as bad in terms of the shape of the new key as the damaged hole led me to believe.
I'm assuming the new key will not need to be hardened.
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Hardening? No
A woodruff key will/should be normal mild steel.
As Stan says, it is there purely to locate the rotor at the 'correct' position for the timing marks.
Drive keys are (should be!) a different shape and made from a much tougher steel.
Again, as Stan said, make sure that the nut cannot bottom out on the thread when you tighten it.
George
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Lip on crankshaft
What's going on with the lip on the shaft, where the taper meets the parallel shaft? The parallel shaft where the alternator rotor sits looks badly worn. I would suggest that the keyway is the least of the problems with that crank.
John
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The taper portion doesn't…
The taper portion doesn't appear to show any sign of the sprocket spinning on it. Since taper and parallel portion must have been machined in different operations, the lip looks odd but not serious. But it might make fitting the oil seal a bit of a problem. Does anyone have pictures of that end of others? Better be sure the sprocket sits on the taper and isn't drawn up to the shoulder.
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Looks like toast to me
Better do some measuring with a good micrometer.
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It seemed for your photo…
It seemed for your photo that the lip was just dirt. If it is raised metal you've got a problem to sort out.
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Primary drive loose on taper - Unrecoverable?
Thanks for your comments.
Having cleaned everything up, I found that the lip was metal, not dirt. I tried the primary drive on the shaft. it won't sit tight on the taper, in fact there's about 10 thou wobble. The sprocket sits on the lip.
I think this means the crank is scrap. Where can I go from here?
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Replace
Looks like you will need to replace the crankshaft. My instinct would be to go for a later shaft in the hope it might be a better design. The Commando experts here would be able to answer that one.
Took another look at the photo there are clear signs that the sprocket has been moving on the taper, fretting. What's the condition of the sprocket keyway?
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Have you tried filling off…
Have you tried filling off the step first? It's quick and zero cost. Especially compared with a new crank.
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Crankshaft
Before you look around for a different crankshaft assembly try the firm in the clubs' "Services" section to see what they can offer and to let you know what your long-term options are.
If you go the eBay way, ask the vendors for good quality close ups of all of the journals and fixing points. If they can't or won't give them a miss, saved me a lot of hassle in the past.
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Bought a good secondhand crankshaft
Just to close this thread off. Thanks for all of the useful comments. I got a secondhand crankshaft from Norvil. STD bigends and good tapers, keyways and threads. Crack test +.
I commend Norvil for the pricing, customer service and speed of delivery.
The project is back on track!
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Latersl Thinking - Hot Metal Spraying
There are quite a few companies around who can make good a worn crankshaft by Hot Metal Spraying. This does as it says on the tin by coating a worn surface with layers of molten metal. These layers can then be trimmed back to recover original journal sizes or shaft tapers.
It was at one time a cost effective repair for crankshafts compared to purchasing a used replacement.
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Crankshaft repair
to Matthew H, th crank end may not be a total loss, a classic racer, running no alt. ,may be able to machine it for that use. .
barry. .
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Proper repair: weld and recut keyway. Requires engineering workshop.
DIY fix: clean up keyway, fashion a key to fit as best you can by filing down an engine sprocket key.
Key doesn't drive the alternator rotor, just locates it for the timing marks which must be reset whichever route you go. Ensure rotor is bolted up tight to recommended torque and correct spacers are used so that nut is not bottoming on thread.