Dvla

When I changed my Tr*ton to a poor Man's Manx (ES2 engine in 2010)) the DVLA wanted to know where I got every component from or a letter from Bracebridge street. (650 to 500)

Since then the rule of engine change has been relaxed if you can prove your Manx engine is pre 73.

Chris Streather is the best man to ask though.

my bitsa G80cs was originally a spring twin and this was the engine on the V5, when I aquired it in a box, there was no twin engine only the comp one. I registered it built it taxed and insured and later informed DVLA there had been a change of engine giving the replacement engine number, an amended V5c was returned without any quibble. kind regards

What Richard says should generally be the norm, get a v5 then notify the changes, preferably with a receipt, but you'll need an engine number. You can stamp it yourself. The guidance is here: https://www.gov.uk/change-vehicle-details-registration-certificate/what-evidence-to-give

The time when it can get difficult is when you are registering it for the first time, then dvla want all sorts of verification for all the major components if they think it's built up.

dan

i think its best to say it has been reassembled out of period parts reassembled being the word to use. not ( rebuilt ) that implies rebuilding with new parts. Baz

It will be much easier if you get a v5 in your name first, I wouldn't say anything about the engine just fill in the v5 changes section and send it off. Just be prepared for them coming back and asking for a receipt etc....But I've never known them do this (it's possible that they are tightening up I suppose) and when I worked for them engine changes were routine.

There is supposed to be agreement with the FBHVC that old cars and motorcycles do not need this engine verification.

The February newsletter of the FBHVC announced the DVLA change of policy for Historic Vehicle engine changes and anticipated that there may be difficulties:"Verification of Engine changes.This was a subject that has been causing some difficulties. DVLA have now made a statement as follows:âI note that the issue of evidence to support notifications of engine change also features [in the list of questions]. As you are aware, this was raised at the recent meeting with the Minister. I am pleased to confirm that this policy has been reviewed and that it will no longer be necessary for keepers of vehicles in the Historic class - date of manufacture before 1 Jan 1973 - to provide evidence to support an engine notification. Grateful if you can pass this information on to your membersâ.All credit must go to David Hurley and Geoff Smith of the Federation for being able to do promote a âtop downâ approach to resolve this problem.It is anticipated that DVLA will need time to brief their staff of this change in policy, and update their internal and external documentation.In the unlikely event that an engine change for a vehicle with the taxation class of Historic Vehicle is rejected by DVLA, please send a copy of the rejection letter to the Federation. This should enable the Federation to have the rejection letter retracted, and enable DVLA to re-brief the staff member who sent out the rejection letter. If it is a âverbalâ rejection, then the name of the DVLA staff member and the name of the office will be helpful."The Federation Secretary is Rosy Pugh, Stonewold, Berrick Salome, Wallingford, Oxfordshire. OX10 6JR

Thanks John, as I said, if Jason can prove his Manx engine is pre 73 there should not be a problem as far as the engine change goes.

Knowing about the pre 73 cut off and getting the DVLA muppet you are dealing with to agree are 2 different things , hopefully the FBHVC can provide a way to have any rejection letter retracted. Hence why I added the info so the FBHVC can be contacted.

In all of my dealings with DVLC and A I have always found the staff to be helpful, but if you go looking for a fight you'll probably find one. To avoid any discussion about whether the bike is rebuilt it's important for Jason to get the V5 in his name first. If he then submits his engine number change he may be surprised and it's sorted without fuss, if it isn't then that's when to start looking for help. But to be honest all they need is a receipt, or a letter from the manufacturer (insuspect the club will suffice) it's not a hard test to meet!

Slightly puzzling really as it has always been the case that when you changed engines in a bike or car you just let the DVLA know so that the 'log book' can be amended. The year of any vehicle is taken from its chassis or frame number, so it should never have affected its historic status.